Tisme
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I would have thought that the fact that they have made it clear that they want to wipe Israel of the face of the earth has some bearing on it.
Why Cant Iran Have Nukes??
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hlb
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Israel have has nukes a long time; no one has felt threatened at all, apart from any country that wants to destroy it completely - that was so with US Britain Russia and France also, but you don't allow the mad mobs to have such arms.
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No. Maybe we have not been threatened, but then we're on there side. Maybe the other arab nations have. As USA apperear to be the world policeman. Should they not have threatened nuke anialation of Israel. As they are threatening Iran. All seems a bit on sided. After all all iran wants is equality in there region. Who are we to say who are the nutters. If I lived out there I would not want the constant threat, without equal means of defence. Not dissimilar to the cold war is it.
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No. Maybe we have not been threatened, but then we're on there side. Maybe the other arab nations have. As USA apperear to be the world policeman. Should they not have threatened nuke anialation of Israel. As they are threatening Iran. All seems a bit on sided. After all all iran wants is equality in there region. Who are we to say who are the nutters. If I lived out there I would not want the constant threat, without equal means of defence. Not dissimilar to the cold war is it.
Tisme
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Methinks you should read up a little on some of the utterances which have been coming out of Iran. They have some dangerous fanatics there.
Bejasus
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'Not dissimilar to the cold war is it.'
Don't think you can quite compare them Haydn. Cold war was between a couple of nations who between them had more than enough nukes to pretty well guarantee total annihilation of each other, whereas Iran only has to let one go and whoops even further back to the Stone Age for them. Hardly the way forward, IMHO?
Don't think you can quite compare them Haydn. Cold war was between a couple of nations who between them had more than enough nukes to pretty well guarantee total annihilation of each other, whereas Iran only has to let one go and whoops even further back to the Stone Age for them. Hardly the way forward, IMHO?
hlb
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Well I'm looking at it from the Iranian/ Arab perspecive. Not from my own. From there point of veiw. They can either cowtow down to the west which they hate. Or eventually do some thing about it. What would you do.
Tisme
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You say that you are looking at this from their point of view, not from your own. I would be much more interested in what your point of view is. Does it differ from theirs?
reginaldon
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I'm sure hlb that you are convinced tonight that the moslems should have their own nuclear arsenal - they are so balanced! What have we taken on board?
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bob_tyler
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Why did the Met Police not arrest all those carrying placards inciting murder in Sloane Street.
That is a serious offence. Have the socalled government gone completely crazy or were the police just scared that they would be considered racist?
That is a serious offence. Have the socalled government gone completely crazy or were the police just scared that they would be considered racist?
tcm
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i thought that - but then, really - it seemed they did quite sensible job of policing.
Perhaps for a moslem fanatic saying "death to infidels" etc is just a normal heyho sort of thing? dunno.
Seriously tho, i think they lettem get away with it once - and next time it will be a bit different.
Unseriously, I spect the same journalists who give out burnable flags nipped back and handed out nicely printed placards, again promising they wd get on the telly. Hence all journalists fault and no moslems are that fussed. Possibly.
Perhaps for a moslem fanatic saying "death to infidels" etc is just a normal heyho sort of thing? dunno.
Seriously tho, i think they lettem get away with it once - and next time it will be a bit different.
Unseriously, I spect the same journalists who give out burnable flags nipped back and handed out nicely printed placards, again promising they wd get on the telly. Hence all journalists fault and no moslems are that fussed. Possibly.
No1_Moose
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yep, wherever in the world they are the banners/placards are always in the same handwriting and from the same 1in paint brush.
Bergman
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Perhaps our views have more in common than originally we might have thought, but the answer to your original question remains the same - We can't let these people get posession of atom bombs
Not convinced by argument that everyone would jump to the defence of Denmark - No-one in a hurry to help us with IRA terrorism or Falklands remember who made the missiles that sank the Shefield and the rest, wasn't Iran.
Most countries have self interest as priority 1, 2 & 3.
Fair enough so long as we do the same
Appreciate the injustices to Palestinians and clearly we have some sort of duty to help and we (UK) have been remiss in not doing more.
Our excuse is that its difficult and if Isreal had waited a bit before creating itself it might have been all right or at least a bit less bad - perhaps. Funny in a way - the Isrealis sort of invented middle east terrorism with us as target to lever themselves a country by taking it off Palestinians who now direct terrorism against them and us cos we let them have their country. - I think.
Now my brain hurts
But we still mustn't let those loonies have the bomb
Not convinced by argument that everyone would jump to the defence of Denmark - No-one in a hurry to help us with IRA terrorism or Falklands remember who made the missiles that sank the Shefield and the rest, wasn't Iran.
Most countries have self interest as priority 1, 2 & 3.
Fair enough so long as we do the same
Appreciate the injustices to Palestinians and clearly we have some sort of duty to help and we (UK) have been remiss in not doing more.
Our excuse is that its difficult and if Isreal had waited a bit before creating itself it might have been all right or at least a bit less bad - perhaps. Funny in a way - the Isrealis sort of invented middle east terrorism with us as target to lever themselves a country by taking it off Palestinians who now direct terrorism against them and us cos we let them have their country. - I think.
Now my brain hurts
But we still mustn't let those loonies have the bomb
CodStewart
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Iran doesn't want nukes. They merely want to be able to produce more power for their people. Just like the UK, US and Japan[and more] are allowed to do.
Virve Iran.
[It's sickening how things are twisted]
Virve Iran.
[It's sickening how things are twisted]
hlb
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Maybe they should. After all. We would never have bombed Iraq if they had.So they'd have been a bit on our side. Yes?? Well, as in the British people anyway. We would never have stuck Israel in the middle of a super power would we. Only in little Palastine, who had to do as they were told. But unfortunatly for us, Palastine has mates and there spread all over the world. Billions of them.
I just think. We have not thought the whole thing through. I'm not on anyones side. Just that theres a bigger and bigger mess. That the cleaver gits are not addressing. It's ok attacking iraq and killing the inocent. Are you happy with your own country men attacking you. Sounds fair game to me.
No. A little war over there. KILL A FEW THOUSAND, THAT WE NEVER KNOW ABOUT. Upp's but theres a 100 dead british. Oh hell.
It's a well known fact, that the USA has come to the end of it's usefull life. As has UK and Europe. The power is going to come from the East in the future. With all there different ways and cultures. Maybe it's time we just accepted it. Like it or not.
I just think. We have not thought the whole thing through. I'm not on anyones side. Just that theres a bigger and bigger mess. That the cleaver gits are not addressing. It's ok attacking iraq and killing the inocent. Are you happy with your own country men attacking you. Sounds fair game to me.
No. A little war over there. KILL A FEW THOUSAND, THAT WE NEVER KNOW ABOUT. Upp's but theres a 100 dead british. Oh hell.
It's a well known fact, that the USA has come to the end of it's usefull life. As has UK and Europe. The power is going to come from the East in the future. With all there different ways and cultures. Maybe it's time we just accepted it. Like it or not.
tcm
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yep, tho they have got lots and lots of nice natural gas if they want lecky power.
If they wanted only lecky power they wd get on with making a power station for gas nice and quckly and then say they want nuclear as well. But since no sign of general power generation tendencies, and lots of wiping people of the map speeches, it's a fair bet it's for weapons innit?
So, being reasonable, i reckon we should nukem *just* to be on the safe side, hm? And may as well do it soon before iraq gets fixed up AND provide a nice excuse for troops getting out asap as well. My advice wd be to look a for a gentle westerly breeze, and not nuke them until then.
If they wanted only lecky power they wd get on with making a power station for gas nice and quckly and then say they want nuclear as well. But since no sign of general power generation tendencies, and lots of wiping people of the map speeches, it's a fair bet it's for weapons innit?
So, being reasonable, i reckon we should nukem *just* to be on the safe side, hm? And may as well do it soon before iraq gets fixed up AND provide a nice excuse for troops getting out asap as well. My advice wd be to look a for a gentle westerly breeze, and not nuke them until then.
hlb
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Oh yes. Thats fair comment, we must nuke them before they nuke us. Also agree with wind blowing the right way. Though I'm not sure. Might blow all the wat round, or change direction and blow back a bit.
No1_Moose
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no need to worry about the wind, just send another one to land just to the west of the first bang the explosion from this will push all the nasty stuff westwards. Then send another to land just to the west of the 2nd bang site to send all that nasty stuff westwards, repeat as necessary,,,,this might be a bit of a mad idea though...ahem...I'll leave now.
GMac
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Re: NZ lefties
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Top Nation is always most hated country, used to be UK, now USA. Bit like popular antagonism from piddling little NZ towards kerlumping great big Oz, perhaps?
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The top nation UK???? you can only be talking about criket, right?. The USA??? wouldn't be my pick. I thought it was the terrorist state of France.
Last sentance nearly right, you just have names backward
and only during the Bledisloe Cup and Tri-Nations
All I was trying to say was make your own mind up based on facts this time. Most of the world managed to see the Iraq war for what it was/is, it's not that hard.
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Top Nation is always most hated country, used to be UK, now USA. Bit like popular antagonism from piddling little NZ towards kerlumping great big Oz, perhaps?
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The top nation UK???? you can only be talking about criket, right?. The USA??? wouldn't be my pick. I thought it was the terrorist state of France.
Last sentance nearly right, you just have names backward
and only during the Bledisloe Cup and Tri-Nations All I was trying to say was make your own mind up based on facts this time. Most of the world managed to see the Iraq war for what it was/is, it's not that hard.
Ships_Cat
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Re: NZ lefties
Oi we are not all lefties, just GMac and many others /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
As I said somewhere else, I reckon Ghengis Khan (I am a big fan but a little to his right) has alot to answer for in not exterminating the problem nearly 800 years ago when he had the opportunity to do so.
Likewise, I also wonder why the Iranians don't just use oil/gas of which they have oodles to cheaply generate power rather than the expensive nuke route. But I am sure some screaming lefty forumite will soon explain that the Iranians are super sensitive about greenhouse gases and the future of the rest of us.
Interestingly, well to cats anyway who don't have bleedin' hearts and are into torturing their prey, Iran bombed the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981 for fear of it being used to manufacture weapons grade material. They were not very successful (story of Arab history for the last 500 or so years it seems) but the Israelis with exactly the same fears bombed it successfully around a year later.
So, who's gonna to be first onto the bombing of the Iranian facilties, the Iraqi's or the Israelis /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif? If the Iraqis are first will the Israelis then have to follow up to do the job properly?
John
Oi we are not all lefties, just GMac and many others /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
As I said somewhere else, I reckon Ghengis Khan (I am a big fan but a little to his right) has alot to answer for in not exterminating the problem nearly 800 years ago when he had the opportunity to do so.
Likewise, I also wonder why the Iranians don't just use oil/gas of which they have oodles to cheaply generate power rather than the expensive nuke route. But I am sure some screaming lefty forumite will soon explain that the Iranians are super sensitive about greenhouse gases and the future of the rest of us.
Interestingly, well to cats anyway who don't have bleedin' hearts and are into torturing their prey, Iran bombed the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981 for fear of it being used to manufacture weapons grade material. They were not very successful (story of Arab history for the last 500 or so years it seems) but the Israelis with exactly the same fears bombed it successfully around a year later.
So, who's gonna to be first onto the bombing of the Iranian facilties, the Iraqi's or the Israelis /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif? If the Iraqis are first will the Israelis then have to follow up to do the job properly?
John
GMac
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Re: NZ lefties
Well that's a first, I've never been called a leftie before, many other unprintable things but never that .
I was under the impression, apparently mistakenly, to be found guilty and punished (by the deaths of many innocent people as the leaders always skulk off and hide) you actually had to be guilty of something first.
Oh silly me. I'm off to shoot my neighbour now, just because I think I don't like the look of him.
Opps, sorry got that wrong again... I'm off to shoot his children. I must make a point of remembering the 'allegedly' gulity party gets to live and the kiddies must die.
I feel so much better now I've managed to stop him in case he might have turned ugly, maybe. All I have to do now is stop his 1,000,000 p**sed off relatives turning up at my place strapped in dynamite.
At least it was all done based on the best hear-say from highly paid spin doctors.
Come on all, present some facts, I'm more than willing to listen. Why should Iran get nuked?. I'm sorry but "I think they are not nice people" just does not cut the mustard. Note the use of the word 'people' as it's them who will die, not the countries leaders or are you saying killing the innocent is a good thing?
Well that's a first, I've never been called a leftie before
, many other unprintable things but never that . I was under the impression, apparently mistakenly, to be found guilty and punished (by the deaths of many innocent people as the leaders always skulk off and hide) you actually had to be guilty of something first.
Oh silly me. I'm off to shoot my neighbour now, just because I think I don't like the look of him.
Opps, sorry got that wrong again... I'm off to shoot his children. I must make a point of remembering the 'allegedly' gulity party gets to live and the kiddies must die.
I feel so much better now I've managed to stop him in case he might have turned ugly, maybe. All I have to do now is stop his 1,000,000 p**sed off relatives turning up at my place strapped in dynamite.
At least it was all done based on the best hear-say from highly paid spin doctors.
Come on all, present some facts, I'm more than willing to listen. Why should Iran get nuked?. I'm sorry but "I think they are not nice people" just does not cut the mustard. Note the use of the word 'people' as it's them who will die, not the countries leaders or are you saying killing the innocent is a good thing?
chrisc
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You guys seem to all believe the american party line.Another question could be ,why should the iranians have electricity?
