Why Cant Iran Have Nukes??

[Keltman]

The reasons why not should be so profoundly apparent to any allegedly sentient being that they do not bear repeating.Similarly American foreign policy failures,misjudgments and stupidity are there for all to see but they should not blind us to the fact that they sometimes get things right viz belated but conclusive participation in 2 world wars and a near 50 year confrontation with the Soviets.I would suggest that it is a certainty that the last 2 have granted us the luxury of posing tongue in cheek questions on this Forum - a luxury which would not be extended to the citizens of Iran.

 

[hlb]

Oh. I'm not playing sides. I'm looking at it quite objectivly. Less of course theres a god up there that has issued a statement about who are the good guys and the bad in this world.

Who said Israel could have a bomb. They are enimies of Iran. What gives some countries the god given right to decide who can and who cant. Except, it's OK for our lot but not their lot. Now if I was Iranian or just a muslim, I cant see me going along with this idea.

As it happens. I'm not a muslim or Iranian, so simply on the grounds of self preservation, I dont fancy the idea of them getting one. But is that good enough reason.

On the other hand. What has been allowed to happen in Palastine over the last 50 years, then Iraq. I'm hardly surprised there a bit pissed off.

 

[guernseyman]

Why confuse the issue by bringing a god into it? The right to decide who should have The Bomb is man-given and as you so rightly suggest is a pragmatic one based on trying to optimise the chances of survival of everybody, including Iran. If we could put that genie back in the bottle, we probably would.

 

[Norman_E]

Iran can have nukes. If they get close enough to producing their own the Israelis will give them some,

 

[hlb]

Ooh, cant see the Americans letting them nuke Iran. The oil would all be knackered, probably Iraq's and a bit more as well.

Anyway all the muslims are going to heaven so a bit of a bonus anyway.

Course them that dont, most of them can easy go back to donkey or camel rides. There not as hell bent on materialism as we are.

 

[reginaldon]

Israel have has nukes a long time; no one has felt threatened at all, apart from any country that wants to destroy it completely - that was so with US Britain Russia and France also, but you don't allow the mad mobs to have such arms.

 

[Guest]

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On the other hand. What has been allowed to happen in Palastine over the last 50 years, then Iraq. I'm hardly surprised there a bit pissed off.

[/ QUOTE ]And that's an excellent reason not to let them have the bomb.

 

[deborahann]

I'm not saying I am in favour of Iran having nuclear weapons, or anyone else for that matter.

The point is why are we allowed to have nuclear weapons in the west, and other tollerated countries like Israel, but Iran is not. Ok Iran's government might be not what we are used to, and they have said downright horrible things about Israel, but the problem is if I was an Iranian, I would be thinking why is ok for the west etc., but not my country. And Iran's democraticically elected government are saying they are not going to develop nuclear weapons, so until we have proof that this is what they do intend to do, we are stirring up yet again more hostillity against the west.

 

[guernseyman]

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And Iran's democraticically elected government are saying they are not going to develop nuclear weapons, so until we have proof that this is what they do intend to do, we are stirring up yet again more hostillity against the west.

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You've convinced me. The next time my 7-year old asks me for a Kalashnikov, I'll give him one.

 

[deborahann]

I did expect to get my "head shot off", actually.

But my point is we are alienating countries daily by our western stupidity, there are only so many wars we can fight, we have to realise we cannot win by being the world's policemen. i.e. we can have it, but you can't, and if you try to get it we will bomb you. Basically saying we need to work at being seen to be fair, not shipping probably a lot of innocent, ok some are not, people to camps. we are getting on very dangerous ground of the west against muslims.

 

[oldharry]

Ooops - wrong country Mr Bush....

Because World President Bush has decreed they will not.

In any case, having clobbered Saddam and found no actual justification for doing so, he wants to have firmer 'evidence' which will justify him taking over the rest of the Middle East, to feed Americas self confessed addiction to oil.

 

[tcm]

it's a fair point.

BUT, i reckon really it's a bit like kids having a new car the moment they can walk which is also a Bit Much. Kids normally master walking, then bicycles, then perhaps motobike, then crap car and *eventually* a new car.

So, same thing with weapons. Stones, stick, bow and arrows, then spears, then guns, and if they are ok with those then some old planes with bombs and so on until Nuclear Bomb.

BUT iran has been a bit stupid with the guns imho, really, which they must know themselves very well indeed. So they can jolly well wait for the nukes.

 

[hlb]

Well thats ok then. Mind, they might just go ahead anyway. But personally I cant see why they need to bother. They've got Billions of muslims in every country anyway. Maybe they just vote us out.

 

[GMac]

It appears everyone here has already been convinced by US spin doctors that Iran is actually building bombs and not just getting more power, in spite of hard evidence. Mind you, you did believe the Iraq WMD story.

Not long now until your national dish is a Big Mac.

Sad, very very sad.

 

[Guest]

... and the Russian Chinese French etc. spin doctors. We'l be eating borshch and French fries with our Big Macs.

Iran of course has this problem that it has no natural resources of its own worth mentioning so it is more cost effective for it to use nuclear power than have to buy in North Sea oil for conventional power generation.

 

[tcm]

NZ lefties

Hm, but Iran does have loads of natural gas. Also, the things the president of Iran said about wiping israel off the map was a little bit naughty, regardless of how fashionable it is to be anti-american. Top Nation is always most hated country, used to be UK, now USA. Bit like popular antagonism from piddling little NZ towards kerlumping great big Oz, perhaps?

But agreed Iraq was indeed a bit of a screwup when other options still remained.

Mainly, tho, the problem with a war like iraq is there is then no popular appetite for a war when a country REALLY needs to have a war, like allies in WW2 when no other option really.

Plenty of other options still remain, so no war for while. Not this week anyway.

 

[guernseyman]

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...our western stupidity...

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Don't let the middle-eastern extremist nuts get to you. Apart from the Bush-Blair fiasco in Iraq our record is not too bad. The cartoon business is a storm in a teacup; as someone pointed out hereabove pictorial literature is foreign to the Islamists. They don't understand that the cartoons were not about Muhammed but just using him as shorthand for his more extreme followers. There's no need to apologise.

 

[Bergman]

A quote from IRIB (Islamic Republic of Iran broadcasting):

"TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Member of the parliament's cultural commission, referring to the insults of some European publications to the Islamic sanctities, said, "if the government and foreign ministry adopted a more decisive approach towards the insulting states right from the beginning, then the westerners wouldn't have repeated their actions so arrogantly.""

When they talk of "a more decisive approach" on one hand and are setting up to make atom bombs on the other it seems to me a good time to start worrying.

I have listened to IRIB on and off for the last few weeks and they are seriously loony.

They have transmitted long passages of readings from the Koran translated into English and clearly and explicitly referring to the production of nuclear weapons and the use of nuclear power.

Now, how the Prophet, peace be upon him, managed to state that muslims had a right to nuclear energy and "all the benefits it bestows" some 1400 years ago I am I confess, unclear, but according to Iran he did - so it must be true.

I too am neither Muslim nor Iranian but I do try to see the world through their eyes as far as I can, but I cannot match the levels of self deceipt to which they rise.

As one who was totally opposed to the Iraq nonsense and still believes that we must get out of there ASAP. And also one who believes that until we all of us, somehow, solve the issue of Palestine there will never be any sort of peace I must say in all seriousness we cannot let this ship of fools loose with nuclear bombs. They WILL use them. If the only way to stop them is to bomb the reactors then so be it.

I appreciate that Isreal having nuclear capability creates an imbalance but that genie is out of the bottle. BTB America did not "give" Isreal the bomb, that was done by the Isrealis themselves - partly by scientists and partly by Mossad nicking stuff from the Yanks. The point is that for many years they have had them and NOT used them - at least thats one thing in the Israelis favour

 

[hlb]

Ah. So your slowly coming round to my way of thinking. The Palastinians were refugees in 1976 when I passed through Jordan till 1980. They pleaded for help. But none came.

Now. It should not have been beond the wisdom of G Bush or T blair. That just like when a comon foe has been identified. Germany Italia Japan. All you mates gather round.

So we should not be surprised that having offended the Muslims for donkeys years with Palastine etc, etc. The Iraq. Twice. Ok maybe justiffied once. But still the infidels mostly, both times. T Blair might be a b*st*rd, but we would not stand for some Arab country attacking us, would we.

Say they attacked Denmark. Would all the western world not jump up in it's defence. No matter how big a tw*t Denmark had been.

Yes, yes, we all know that Iran is a silly country. But we knew that before. We also know that muslims infest nearly every country. We know how they think and what offends them. The do over the cartoons is a bit silly. But was it the last staw.

 

[landaftaf]

the cartoons were not a trip wire of any importance, anything is good enough reason to flex the new found power of muslim extreamism .... just look at that twat straw to give them more confidence to react even more strongly next time.

who do you think gave the order 'softly softly'

wake up FFS /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif