Who thinks this is the correct level of fine

Searush said:
Don't fret, they wouldn't know the difference anyway. I despair that these people claim that boats are more manouverable under engine, yet they can't even avoid a slow moving sailing boat. It just doesn't make sense - unless they are motoring too fast for the conditions & traffic that is.

If I can comfortably motor or tack around other slow moving boats (including fishermen drifting in the channel in dinghies) How come you can't? Am I really that much better at it than you, or are you just complaining too much?
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Some of them even think that all boats should go in a straight line - engage autohelm, disengage brain - it is too much effort to steer. :eek:
 
neale said:
Don't underestimate how many Moboers have sailed. It's probably a higher percentage than you think.

I, for example, am a Mobo man through and through, as anyone who knows me will testify. I do however hold RYA certificates in sail cruising and dinghy sailing
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Nor undersestimate sailors - most of whom motor their boats as much (or more) as sail them.

I for example am a sailor through and through as anyone who knows me will testify. I do however hold RYA Powerboat certificates up to advanced, cruising helm, PWC competency and also have my own RIB. :)
 
Searush said:
Don't fret, they wouldn't know the difference anyway. I despair that these people claim that boats are more manouverable under engine, yet they can't even avoid a slow moving sailing boat. It just doesn't make sense - unless they are motoring too fast for the conditions & traffic that is.

If I can comfortably motor or tack around other slow moving boats (including fishermen drifting in the channel in dinghies) How come you can't? Am I really that much better at it than you, or are you just complaining too much?
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l'escargot said:
Some of them even think that all boats should go in a straight line - engage autohelm, disengage brain - it is too much effort to steer. :eek:
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Listen here you two. this is the Motorboat forum where us wake makers can moan about you lot zig zagging all over the place. Get back to your own forum :p
 
neale said:
Listen here you two. this is the Motorboat forum where us wake makers can moan about you lot zig zagging all over the place. Get back to your own forum :p
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But I'm allowed, I've got a motorboat as well. Anyway it's dead over here most days and you need us to get your post count up so they don't put it in the "Forum archive" through lack of use.
 
ricky_s said:
Isn't that the answer then, no sailing in confined areas?
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No, it makes the MOD Plod anxious and they don't want their big ships distracted so they crash into the round tower. Clearly QHM doesn't think he needs to put a similar restriction in place anywhere else in the Port apart from that few hundred yards. He has far more wide reaching speed restrictions however.
 
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blueglass said:
cheap semantics don't really help.
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You're struggling with the witty responses now - bottom line is sailing boats are allowed to sail almost everywhere and they will sometimes have to zig and zag. Just as irresponsible motorboaters who ignore regulations will most likely receive hefty fines. I guess you will just have to learn to live with both situations.
 
l'escargot said:
You're struggling with the witty responses now - bottom line is sailing boats are allowed to sail almost everywhere and they will sometimes have to zig and zag. Just as irresponsible motorboaters who ignore regulations will most likely receive hefty fines. I guess you will just have to learn to live with both situations.
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no humour or wit intended.

We have all learned to live with erratic sailing in harbours - it is , as you say, a fact of life. It doesn't make it big and clever however. You can crow all you like about your high skill levels, it doesn't alter the fact that the practice demonstates scant regard for other water users. Your claim that your boat handles better under sail doesn't really stack up either.
All I can say is that the 99% of sailors who do use power in harbours clearly have more consideration than you.
 
Searush said:
Just cos you don't understand how a yacht works, it doesn't mean that those who sail them don't. I doubt that yachts tacking perfectly predictably constitute the same level of threat as towing a bodyboarder thro the moorings at speed. If it did, it would be banned by law & offenders prosecuted.

Next time you are faced with yachts tacking, take a little time to understand how a yacht works. The simplest thing is to pass astern, immediately after a tack (if you pick the right side of the channel you don't even need to cross sides. Many yachts will also have deeper draught than you so you should be able to pass them on the outside of the channel. It isn't rocket science, even hirers on the Broads seem to cope fairly well.
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Oh dear the usual banal benign bigotry! I am either on my Trawler yacht or sailing on my friends Sun Odyssey 53 out of Lymington. Because idiots decide to press their right to sail where ever they want doesn't make it right.

Similar to riding a horse on a busy road. Stupid and inconvenient to most, but legal.

I would love to say that some of the people are predictable, many are it is the idiots that are out of control and unpredictable I was referring to! The clue was the term "zig zagging"

Tell me do you tack? on a predictable course? If so well done you.

The reality is that eventually the regs will be changed to recognise the massive increase in powered motorboats and yachts. Saying I want the right to sail onto my marina is simply not reasonable, besides if a person is such a purest that they want to sail on and off thir berth, then bugger off out of the nice new marina! Cake and eat it comes to mind!
 
l'escargot said:
Was it you who got fined - that post makes you sound a similar type.
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Ah so your clairvoyant. You like putting people into "types" do you! I don't so I wouldn't guess what "type" you are.

I sail with friends and I own a motorboat. I hate stupidity and anything done that causes inconvenience to the majority. For example, coming into Poole estuary there is a very big sign stating to yachtsmen "USE MOTOR"

Yet all so many sailors ignore this sign. What would you do? or do you think that the idiot that got fined for breaking the law with the board should obey and your above it? or would you use your motor in and out in keeping with the by law and then exercise your right to sail away from the entrance?

Eddie
 
EddieBlue said:
Ah so your clairvoyant. You like putting people into "types" do you! I don't so I wouldn't guess what "type" you are.
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If you read the post you would you would see that I didn't put you into a type I said the "post makes you sound a similar type". Just as this post makes you sound like the type of person who doesn't read posts before rattling off a reply.

EddieBlue said:
I sail with friends and I own a motorboat. I hate stupidity and anything done that causes inconvenience to the majority. For example, coming into Poole estuary there is a very big sign stating to yachtsmen "USE MOTOR"

Yet all so many sailors ignore this sign. What would you do? or do you think that the idiot that got fined for breaking the law with the board should obey and your above it? or would you use your motor in and out in keeping with the by law and then exercise your right to sail away from the entrance?

Eddie
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Again if you read my other posts you will see that I said I use the engine when required to, so no I don't think I'm above it. Why do you feel the need to read things into posts that aren't there and then get all indignant about it? If as you say you hate stupidity and anything done that causes inconvenience to the majority, why don't you get all indignant about the irresponsible motorboater that was the subject of this thread? Not only was he stupid and caused inconvenience, he presented a danger to other people too.
 
EddieBlue said:
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Tell me do you tack? on a predictable course? If so well done you.

The reality is that eventually the regs will be changed to recognise the massive increase in powered motorboats and yachts. Saying I want the right to sail onto my marina is simply not reasonable, besides if a person is such a purest that they want to sail on and off thir berth, then bugger off out of the nice new marina! Cake and eat it comes to mind!
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Tacking is entirely predictable - unless something goes wrong & they get caught in stays. If you sail you should know that. The boat turns approximately thro 90deg & sets off on the opposite tack until it has to turn again. Wind changes or waves may lead to course changes on a given tack, but the turn itself is pretty predictable.

What's this about a massive increase in motorboats? I haven't noticed that. Got any evidence to support it? I actually suspect that the massive increases in fuel costs as people burn it all away will lead to more people sailing & that IS a trend I have seen for myself.

And who said anything about marinas, never mind trying to sail into such tiny spaces? It isn't impossible, but it's certainly impractical if only because it is so difficult to reduce speed effectively under sail - the only reverse thrust you could get is to try to push the sail against the wind! But you're a sailor, so you must know that.

I'm very impressed that you can forsee the changing of international rgulations to suit your personal needs. You must be much more important than the rest of us who obey the rules.

By all means argue a point from facts, but not blind predjudice please.


As to me coming on here, if MoBo'ers are so precious as to not be able to sensibly justify their stance against fair criticism, then perhaps they shouldn't accuse sailors of deliberately baulking them! We are happy to defend our corner.
 
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l'escargot said:
If you read the post you would you would see that I didn't put you into a type I said the "post makes you sound a similar type". Just as this post makes you sound like the type of person who doesn't read posts before rattling off a reply.



Again if you read my other posts you will see that I said I use the engine when required to, so no I don't think I'm above it. Why do you feel the need to read things into posts that aren't there and then get all indignant about it? If as you say you hate stupidity and anything done that causes inconvenience to the majority, why don't you get all indignant about the irresponsible motorboater that was the subject of this thread? Not only was he stupid and caused inconvenience, he presented a danger to other people too.
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I was not indignant about the guy who was fined, I agree that he should have been punished. As for the semantics, I didn't actually say etc the meaning was quite clear.

I stopped reading your other diatribe when you started similar tactics with other postes, choosing only to answer the quote aimed at me.

Eddie
 
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