Who thinks this is the correct level of fine

[fireball]

frankly, i don't buy the 'greater awareness', nor the 'boats that size don't have a speedo' - try those excuses on dibble next time you're stopped for speeding or dangerous driving.

You'll have to come for a sail then ... my dinghy doesn't have a 'speedo' nor is it allowed one (whilst racing) - but it would be handy ...

but i'm glad you agree that 15knots in a 2 ton yacht is stupid.

I didn't say that 15 knots in a 2 ton yacht is stupid - only that I don't condone doing that speed in occupied tightly packed moorings ..

 

[BlueSkyNick]

To add my personal knowledge of the HM chaps, they caution people speeding in the river or for other bad behaviour several times a day on very busy weekends. Two of them are ex-coppers and know how to bring charges. The HM would only go to the effort and expense of prosecution if the case was sufficiently serious.

 

[EddieBlue]

On the subject of stupidity, what about those idiots that zig zag backwards and forwards across the channel, at low tide, on Bank holidays!

No power, no access in my opinion!

Eddie

 

[DAKA]

on hold until Ive read through it as requested

 

[ARA]

"Quiet word would have done it."

If you read through it didn't, so the to$$er deserves all he gets

 

[Searush]

On the subject of stupidity, what about those idiots that zig zag backwards and forwards across the channel, at low tide, on Bank holidays!

No power, no access in my opinion!

Eddie

Just cos you don't understand how a yacht works, it doesn't mean that those who sail them don't. I doubt that yachts tacking perfectly predictably constitute the same level of threat as towing a bodyboarder thro the moorings at speed. If it did, it would be banned by law & offenders prosecuted.

Next time you are faced with yachts tacking, take a little time to understand how a yacht works. The simplest thing is to pass astern, immediately after a tack (if you pick the right side of the channel you don't even need to cross sides. Many yachts will also have deeper draught than you so you should be able to pass them on the outside of the channel. It isn't rocket science, even hirers on the Broads seem to cope fairly well.

 

[l'escargot]

On the subject of stupidity, what about those idiots that zig zag backwards and forwards across the channel, at low tide, on Bank holidays!

No power, no access in my opinion!

Eddie

Was it you who got fined - that post makes you sound a similar type.

Good job people don't apply that thinking to roads - it would get rid of the caravans off the road but you wouldn't get many on your campsite.

 

[Andydent2000]

He got off lightly in my opinion. If brains were TNT some people wouldn't have enough to blow their caps off.

 

[DAKA]

Just cos you don't understand how a yacht works, it doesn't mean that those who sail them don't. I doubt that yachts tacking perfectly predictably constitute the same level of threat as towing a bodyboarder thro the moorings at speed. If it did, it would be banned by law & offenders prosecuted.

I think if you read col regs it is banned, stand on vessel maintains course and speed ..... ie doesn't tack into you (Zig Zags prohibited)!

10000000000000000's of local bylaws prohibit sailing (zig zagging) in fairways/harbours etc


Agreed however no one takes any notice of the regulations and no one ever gets fined for sailing like mindless morons , thats what a few on this thread are moaning about, a mobo does a few zig zags and it costs him over a grand !
scandalous , does any one know if the HM and judge are both raggies

 

[ricky_s]

does any one know if the HM and judge are both raggies

 

[l'escargot]

I think if you read col regs it is banned, stand on vessel maintains course and speed ..... ie doesn't tack into you (Zig Zags prohibited)!

10000000000000000's of local bylaws prohibit sailing (zig zagging) in fairways/harbours etc


Agreed however no one takes any notice of the regulations and no one ever gets fined for sailing like mindless morons , thats what a few on this thread are moaning about, a mobo does a few zig zags and it costs him over a grand !
scandalous , does any one know if the HM and judge are both raggies

So you don't think that the boat in Lymington was doing anything wrong and you would be quite happy to behave in the same way then Pete? I don't think there is any suggestion that he was fined for doing "a few zig zags" is there?

 

[DAKA]

So you don't think that the boat in Lymington was doing anything wrong and you would be quite happy to behave in the same way then Pete?

Of course he was being naughty and I like to think that I wouldnt do it, I have matured somewhat in recent years but it wasnt so long ago I was stopped for donutting and the situation was dealt with in such as way as a fine wasnt necessary.

The poor guy does appear to have been victimised with the severity of the fine.

There appears to be a clear divide in that older slower boaters think this is an horrific crime where the younger mobo owners feel its wrong but not £1700 wrong, the general public will be bewildered at such a fuss over 20mph which they regularly cycle at , hence I am left wondering if the guy was unlucky in that the judge was an old raggie who gets frightened at excessive speed when going downhill on his mobility scooter

 

[ARA]

where the younger mobo owners feel its wrong but not £1700 wrong,

LOL

 

[Searush]

Of course he was being naughty and I like to think that I wouldnt do it, I have matured somewhat in recent years but it wasnt so long ago I was stopped for donutting and the situation was dealt with in such as way as a fine wasnt necessary.

The poor guy does appear to have been victimised with the severity of the fine.

There appears to be a clear divide in that older slower boaters think this is an horrific crime where the younger mobo owners feel its wrong but not £1700 wrong, the general public will be bewildered at such a fuss over 20mph which they regularly cycle at , hence I am left wondering if the guy was unlucky in that the judge was an old raggie who gets frightened at excessive speed when going downhill on his mobility scooter

Have a little think about what you just wrote.

20kts towing a person on a rope thro moorings in a narrow channel is more like doing wheelies past a school at 3.30pm rather than cycling if you want a traffic based analogy. Yachts don't zig-zag because they want to, it is the only way that they can progress into the wind - most people seem to understand this, except for a few people on here who claim ignorance. TBH if you have so little basic knowledge about boating, you shouldn't really be out in one.

 

[ricky_s]

Have a little think about what you just wrote.

20kts towing a person on a rope thro moorings in a narrow channel is more like doing wheelies past a school at 3.30pm rather than cycling if you want a traffic based analogy. Yachts don't zig-zag because they want to, it is the only way that they can progress into the wind - most people seem to understand this, except for a few people on here who claim ignorance. TBH if you have so little basic knowledge about boating, you shouldn't really be out in one.

I'm sure DAKA understands that sailing boats need to tack but is that his problem? Tacking still could be considered dangerous in a narrow channel, admittedly probably less risky than a sports boat at 20 knots.

 

[peterb]

I think if you read col regs it is banned, stand on vessel maintains course and speed ..... ie doesn't tack into you (Zig Zags prohibited)!:

One of the problems of COLREGS is that they frequently rely on interpretations made in court. I don't have the reference book with me (Marsden) but I seem to remember that 'course' has been interpreted as 'planned course', not 'heading'. If the 'stand-on vessel' plans a tacking course, then it should stick to that course, while the 'give-way' vessel should take avoiding action as necessary. It's a very old decision, dating from the days of square riggers when it might take fifteen minutes to tack, but I don't think it has ever been rescinded.

 

[DAKA]

Have a little think about what you just wrote.

20kts towing a person on a rope thro moorings in a narrow channel is more like doing wheelies past a school at 3.30pm rather than cycling if you want a traffic based analogy. Yachts don't zig-zag because they want to, it is the only way that they can progress into the wind - most people seem to understand this, except for a few people on here who claim ignorance. TBH if you have so little basic knowledge about boating, you shouldn't really be out in one.

I fully take on board your comments and dont see the sense in getting bogged down with wheelies outside school , you appear to have missed the point I was making.

I agree he did wrong but not £1690 worth of wrong.

I am amazed at your apparent acceptance that it is safe to zigzag in narrow channels , its clearly in contravention of many harbour by-laws however I am not aware of a single raggie ever prosecuted never mind stung for £1700 !

Hence my interest in the judges hobbies !

 

[DAKA]

One of the problems of COLREGS is that they frequently rely on interpretations made in court. I don't have the reference book with me (Marsden) but I seem to remember that 'course' has been interpreted as 'planned course', not 'heading'. If the 'stand-on vessel' plans a tacking course, then it should stick to that course, while the 'give-way' vessel should take avoiding action as necessary. It's a very old decision, dating from the days of square riggers when it might take fifteen minutes to tack, but I don't think it has ever been rescinded.

Thanks Pete,

I'll remember that one when Tim tries to persuade me to stand on to tankers........ I always plan a course to the stern

 

[l'escargot]

...I am amazed at your apparent acceptance that it is safe to zigzag in narrow channels , its clearly in contravention of many harbour by-laws however I am not aware of a single raggie ever prosecuted never mind stung for £1700...

I don't think you could come up with any evidence that a moboer has ever been stung for £1700 for zig zagging either Pete - this one was done for going over 3 times the limit and towing a wakeboarder to boot, which was in contravention of harbour bye laws.

I doubt very much whether you can come up with a harbour bye law that bans tacking either...

 

[Searush]

FWIW, you are flogging a dead horse, guys.

To make way to windward, sailing boats MUST tack. It is simple rules of physics & no man-made law in the world can change that. You need to get that FACT into your heads & accept that sailing boats NEED to tack. We sure as hell wouldn't waste our time & energy zig-zagging for the fun of it.

It isn't done to annoy you, we simply have no choice, so get used to it, learn to predict it & pass behind us after we tack. It really isn't that hard to do. I cannot understand that you are apparently so stupid as to not be able to accept this simple fact of nature!