Little Tern
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No, not seriously.
My assessment is that the poster is trying to be deliberately provocative.
My assessment is that the poster is trying to be deliberately provocative.
Who thinks a vessel under sail always has right of way?
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westernman
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Any way. To answer the OP.
I always have right of way.
Have you seen the size of that prodder which I will ram up your xxxxxxxxxs?
I always have right of way.
Have you seen the size of that prodder which I will ram up your xxxxxxxxxs?
LittleSister
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I think that's the first thing you've said that I can agree with you on, though not sure I can spot two of 'em.
oldbloke
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You are probably right but there is a difference between provocative and just factually wrong
Little Tern
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One way of being provocative is to deliberately post untruths.
jon711
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So these boats should not be allowed to sail on the Norfolk Broads I guess? Most have no engine at all...
flaming
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Some could do with re-reading this thread - especially the contributions from jfm.
johnalison
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A boat sailing by tacking is just as capable of following the rules as a boat under power, and from my experience generally far more willing to do so. Your contention appears to be that no other boat has a right to get in your way. May I remind you that do not in fact have any right of way and that in most circumstances you will have to give way to a sailing boat. The laws of physics dictate where a sailing boat can point, and the helmsman of a sailing boat has an absolute right to tack whenever and wherever he wishes (with apologies to the ladies) unless in so doing he creates an immediate collision situation. However, if a sailing boat is approaching a shore, it has no alternative to tacking, even if your fondest wish is that they should drive themselves onto the bank. Your attitude suggests that you are unsuited to being in charge of a moving vessel, though I might allow you a small rubber dinghy.
Pye_End
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Those pesky fishing boats are always changing course right in front of you - makes it really hard to tack past them sometimes.
Pye_End
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Yes, it can be a real pain when a stand on vessel motoring up a river changes heading to follow the channel - it would be much easier when trying to tack past if it would just follow your rules - ie. keep course and speed, and ground on the river bank.
snowbird30ds
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Of course while the broads byelaws are based around colregs they do not follow it fully so not the same rules.
One of the accepted things is for the crew of the raggy to point which side they want a stinkie to pass as the hireboats are not likely to understand but it don't seem to happen that often.
The Q
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I do hope Shanemax never comes to the broads, if he faced this his head would explode.
In the last picture I'm in Y210, you can see both sides motorboats safely navigating through the river.
In the last picture I'm in Y210, you can see both sides motorboats safely navigating through the river.
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Sailing steve
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I suspect you're not wrong.
Believing in absolute right of way suggests an unsavory combination of ignorance and arrogance that has no place on the water.
Dee Bee
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I always think that it is just polite if you are leisure sailing or motoring to keep out of the way of racing sailors. We have had boats go through the start line and a yacht anchored at the windward mark -just thoughtless. Equally I have had dinghies shouting at me when we had nowhere to go .
wonkywinch
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Except when they choose to use the North Channel as part of their course
dunedin
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Shouldn’t be an issue with the North Channel - as minimum width about 10 miles (between NI and Kintyre).Except when they choose to use the North Channel as part of their course
Or did you mean a different north channel?
johnalison
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Yes and no. I have both raced and not-raced, and only occasionally met problems. When people are racing they often get very single-minded about it, a feeling that I can well remember having. A large fleet across a main channel has no 'right' to impede proper passage. Our normal approach was to let the leaders do their crossing or whatever but then proceed according to the regulations thereafter. The majority of racing fleets that I have met were dinghies, which are inherently more agile than cruisers, and also a lot faster on occasion, when predicting their likely course can be next to impossible. I think the last time I was shouted at was by a catamaran dinghy that whizzed passed at 15-20 knots and imagined that my five tons could jump out of his way.
PaulRainbow
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I agree. We were leaving Woodbridge Tidemill a few weeks ago, when we got to the Deben Yacht Club they were getting reading for a race, someone in a small yacht/dinghy shouted at me, "slow down, they are racing". I replied that the engines were only idling, he told me i was still going too fast. We were doing just over 4 knots in the narrowest part of the channel !!
I'm quite happy to come to a standstill to let racing dingies pass, as long as conditions allow and the channel isn't too narrow/shallow, but some people clearly think there is a section in Colregs that gives racing boats some sort of special "right of way".
westernman
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When dinghy racing, I would prefer big sailing cruisers and mobos to take a predictable course at a constant slowish speed and not weave about.
We will aim to miss you and go in front or behind you at a distance of at most one foot.
We will aim to miss you and go in front or behind you at a distance of at most one foot.
PaulRainbow
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Then we would be in breach of Colregs.
Colregs exist for a reason, you're tacking across the channel, i give way, you stand on, we both know who's going to do what because we are following the rules.