What's the RYA's response to British boats being BANNED from Belgium?

timbartlett said:
I'm sorry but the original intention of the EU Directive was to set a minimum rate of duty for fuel used for non-commercial and non-heating purposes.

At the time the UK's rate of duty was so exorbitant that the 60:40 split still achieved an overall rate of taxation that was higher than the EU minimum.

Things may have changed since
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And I'm sure that, if you install separate tanks for heating and engine fuel, they will be pleased to allow you to put red diesel into the heater. They know full well that the current system is abused - I had a pump operator most surprised that I turned down the 60/40 split on a boat which he knew was heated by gas...
 
maby said:
And I'm sure that, if you install separate tanks for heating and engine fuel, they will be pleased to allow you to put red diesel into the heater. They know full well that the current system is abused - I had a pump operator most surprised that I turned down the 60/40 split on a boat which he knew was heated by gas...
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you will now be able to have 2 tanks
the one for heating can be @ the !00% 40 rate :D
 
maby said:
Well, it seems HMRC have come off the fence - as of April, we will only be allowed to buy red diesel if we promise to not leave UK territorial waters...

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/drafts/rebated-pp-crafts.htm
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Right, so where do the 'foriegn going' buy their white full taxed, given the anti-spillage rules in most marinas?

Do I detect another almighty cock up in the making, between HMRC's effectively falling in line with the EU Directive, and the reluctance to do anything by the BMIF and other marinas about 'unmarked' bunkerage since the issue was raised- about a decade now?
 
Tidewaiter2 said:
Right, so where do the 'foriegn going' buy their white full taxed, given the anti-spillage rules in most marinas?

Do I detect another almighty cock up in the making, between HMRC's effectively falling in line with the EU Directive, and the reluctance to do anything by the BMIF and other marinas about 'unmarked' bunkerage since the issue was raised- about a decade now?
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HMRC should simply have banned red diesel in marinas - we would have learned to live with it. This current proposal does not help us since it leaves marinas at liberty to continue selling it. It just divides the sailing community between those that pragmatically accept the need to switch and those that want to hang on to the concession.
 
maby said:
HMRC should simply have banned red diesel in marinas - we would have learned to live with it. This current proposal does not help us since it leaves marinas at liberty to continue selling it. It just divides the sailing community between those that pragmatically accept the need to switch and those that want to hang on to the concession.
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That would have been the sensible decision- I note the 'impact statement' is incomplete- they have not faced up to the fact that Britons go abroad cos we are an Island!
Typical uninformed slapdash 'easy way out' thinking by current generation of politicos and their 'advisers'- not enough experience of the real world:mad:


I think there maybe enough foriegn going/visitor 'customer pressure' at popular South & East Coast high leisure user fuel pontoons to see a changeover to 'unmarked' diesel, so we can all progress through pink to white.

I forecast good times for the South & SW this year, while we all wait to see how it pans out in Cherbourg, Den Helder, etc.
Belguim is definitely off the list now!!!!

I wonder if it's all part of Minister's trying to get E-borders to work for yotties- keep us all in home waters, so their expensive, overrunning, highly likely to crash on a fine weekend with SW F4/5 from April to September IT scheme can be claimed to work, for the 'new' Border Force.
How's that for TB style paranoia?
 
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Fitting a second tank for white diesel is not that simple.
As well as physically locating a tank you need additional filler, breather, guage and diverter valve.
Hence I suspect people will just fill up with white.
If you did have a second tank with only white in it then it could be prone to diesel bug as you wouldn't use it that often.
 
Talulah said:
Fitting a second tank for white diesel is not that simple.
As well as physically locating a tank you need additional filler, breather, guage and diverter valve.
Hence I suspect people will just fill up with white.
If you did have a second tank with only white in it then it could be prone to diesel bug as you wouldn't use it that often.
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No, you fit a second tank for red, to use in the heater.
 
maby said:
Well, it seems HMRC have come off the fence - as of April, we will only be allowed to buy red diesel if we promise to not leave UK territorial waters...

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/drafts/rebated-pp-crafts.htm
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Bast ard HMRC, what a mealy mouthed ill concieved set of documents, the impact statement in particular fails to address any of the safety issues from using FAME diesel in older model (ie most) engines from degredation of seals to increase in incidence of diesel bug. The increased risk of pollution from transport of and filling from jerry cans for those using white diesel is also ignored. Ideally marinas will switch to Fame free white diesel at full duty rates but that is unlikely to happen on the east coast at least. I forone willbe encouraging my marina to switch but don't hold out much hope.
 
Response of RYA
http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/new...proposals.aspx

"The RYA has made it clear to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) that the proposals set out in its consultation documents published yesterday present a real problem for recreational boaters.
There is no legal prohibition on the use of red diesel for propelling private pleasure craft in international waters but the proposed amendment to the declaration to be made when buying fuel gives the impression that there is..."
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jordanbasset said:
Response of RYA
http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/new...proposals.aspx

"The RYA has made it clear to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) that the proposals set out in its consultation documents published yesterday present a real problem for recreational boaters.
There is no legal prohibition on the use of red diesel for propelling private pleasure craft in international waters but the proposed amendment to the declaration to be made when buying fuel gives the impression that there is..."
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The RYA statement misses the point completely.
If you want to go abroad, at some point you will leave international waters and enter the territorial waters of another country - where their rules apply.

What does the RYA want us to go? Sail around Britain or as far offshore as we want without actually putting a foot ashore anywhere else? :confused:
 
jordanbasset said:
You are right but it is weird,the link works on the other thread and appears identical to Sailorman's, but it does not work here,spooky:confused:
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Because you copied the on screen representation of the link rather than the link itself. The forum software truncates the representation of the link but the href of the HTML anchor remains proper.
 
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