What's so good about moody's

[Steve101]

What\'s so good about moody\'s

Firstly I must say that I love Moody's (so I don't get flamed by about 1000 Moody owners) and at the moment the Moody 38cc is still top of my list. However and this is a big BUT. Why are Moody's conciderably more expensive than other marques. I've received the Bavaria catalogue today and the B44ocean is the same price (6ft bigger)(er... I didn't need to mention that did I!!!!????) and the B40 Ocean £30,000 cheaper, with the B38 weighing in at almost half the price. It's obvious that the moody is a superior fit out, but there must be other reasons (hopefully % re-sale values) cos £60,000 buys you one hell of a refit. Finally (er, actually not quite) I'm about to order my first yacht (See Re: Starting out) and want to know if I can haggle with the dealer after all I have no px, they'd be ensnaring a customer supposedly for life and all that. Is it similar to buying a car I saved £20000!!! on my car importing it!......and finally (to put this into prospective) we are putting £20000 to our boat fund from savings we had earmarked for a 3 week cruise in the carribean which we hope to do many seasons from now in our own boat ( ala Peter Snow, ARC This months YM) and that seems to be able to justify my budget to my wife for spending the extra dough on the moody......All opinions are really appreciated as I am new to this and really don't want to spend a whopping amount of money on someones used boat to be.

 

[JeremyF]

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Hmm, the solution to your choice will come from a good look around both, together with a test sail.

I had a Moody 31, and now a Bav 34. I'm very pleased with my choice, but I had a budget of £65k, and the Bav is great value for a light cruiser. I wanted a new boat, and £65k would have only bought a 10 year old Moody 336 or 346. If I had £120k, then I would have gone for the Moody 38, rather than a Bav 40. Just look at the quality and size of the deck fittings and winches. The Bav is built to be just about OK. The Moody looks positively overengineered.

Dont just look at length, look at displacement - I would guess you are buying more boat with the Moody 38 than even the Bav 44. Its weight that costs, and not length.

Yes, you are paying more for Moody's low production levels, but customer service is totally different.

Make contact with Peter Gough, a regular poster here. He has a new Moody 38, and I'm sure he'll give you an honest interpretation of Moody.

PS, you can buy a Vauxhall Omega for less than an entry C class Merc. Which would you buy?

Jeremy Flynn

 

[jimi]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

I'd buy an old Nova and spend the rest on a boat!

Jim

 

[JeremyF]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

I'm thinking about a company boat, rather than a company car next time around. I reckon that for the allowance I could get my mooring paid and run a perfectly reasonable car.



Jeremy Flynn

 

[jimi]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

... and you'll be able to get the VAT back ..

Jim

 

[ccscott49]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

Nothing! IMHO

 

[Steve101]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

Thanks for the reply. Am I right in thinking (and I have to be careful here as my best mate has just bought a Bav 32) that the Bav is nearer the Vauxhall end of the range and the Moody the Merc?....I was still impressed with the Bav. Will the Moody have a better residual value? What are the chances of me getting a better deal out of Moody.....someone told me that Moody have taken a bit of a battering from Bavaria of the last few years. (Sorry if I sound like an 18 y/o about to buy his first GTi, but I guess that's what I am really.)

 

[Steve101]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

Well that's thrown a spanner in the works!

 

[Guest]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

Yes they no longer compete in their traditional space. The range in 1986 was a 28, 31, 346, 376, 422

today 38, 42 (stopped production), 47, 54, 64.

They changed the goal posts and survived. The boats are made by Marine Projects, forget their new name, who also turn out Princess Motor yachts and are a volume producer.

As regards a deal well you can try but until you see them with 38's in stock and no forward orders why should they discount.?

How long would you think about keeping the boat?

Pete

 

[Steve101]

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Thank's for sending me that article. How did you manage to find a trunk which matched the teak of the interior so well . I intend to keep it for about 10 yrs before changing. I'm only basing this on the fact that my children will probably no longer be interested in hanging about with Mom & Dad then. But to be fair if the boat still suits us well and things havn't dramatically moved on then I see no reason to change it even then. I also have another question and I hope you don't think I'm being too nosey, but where is access to the engine compartment; is it under the cockpit well? I wondered if it was under the aft double bed as there is no mention of storage under it in the specs.

 

[Guest]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

looks like youve made your mind up on the moody 38. if you can i would recomend going to the southampton boat show in sept. all the boats you can think of will be there and it will give you a good chance to compair then. it's also a good day out.

 

[Guest]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

In terms of the chest...we had it made at a local Pine Furniture shop, if you get that far we can give you the details. Engine Access is from the Galley and heads and is very good. Under the berth in the aft cabin are the batteries, hot water tank and some stowage. We sail 2 up plus retriever and sometimes guests. It works well for us but...

Pete

 

[Steve101]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

But???

 

[pandroid]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

When I bought my Hallberg-Rassy I was told that they were like 'Mercedes'. I thought Moody's were like Ford Granadas......

 

[Steve101]

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Thank's for your reply. Are they in a similar price range?. Can you recommend a dealer?

 

[AndrewB]

Keeping it 10 years.

You won't. A first yacht is a learning experience and most people move on after a couple of years. Its worth factoring this into your decision.

 

[Skyva_2]

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Last time I talked to an insurance broker they said Moodys were like Volvos (the cars!) and they insured accordingly, as owners were usually of a certain age and good risks.....

Keith

 

[pvb]

Buy a Swedish boat...

If you're interested in resale value, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better investment than a Hallberg-Rassy or a Najad. And you'd be buying an infinitely better-built and safer boat.

Using the automotive analogy, I'd suggest that HR/Najad boats are the Mercedes of the boat world; Moodys are the Vauxhalls; Bavarias are the Citroens.

One reason Bavarias are apparently cheap is that specification levels leave quite a lot to be desired. Once you've added the options to bring them up to comparable equipment levels, the prices look less attractive.

Your money would be much safer in, say, a 2-year-old Hallberg-Rassy 36 than in a new Moody 38. You'll find that the HR will already have a very good equipment level (most buyers specify a good variety of sensible options). Check it out - talk to Transworld Yachts at Hamble Point Marina, who know more about HRs than anyone, and who can give you real-world price/depreciation info.

And, yes, I bought a Hallberg-Rassy!

 

[Guest]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

Moodys are NOT the Mercedes of the boat world! More like the Ford of the boat world. They have always been very badly built and extremely ugly as well! I can not imagine why anyone would want one. They are not the sort of boats you can look at from your dinghy and think "How lovely". They have always been boxy and look completely shagged after a couple of seasons. It is best not to go out of sight of land in them. Why not look at a Bowman, a Nicholson, a Swan, a Halberg Rassy, a Najad? At least go for something that will stand the test of time and a boat that you can be really proud of. Better to go for a good second hand boat than an alright new one. Let someone else have the initial depreciation! Toodle-Pip...

 

[Oldhand]

Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s

You obviously don't own a Merc, a Moody might be a Rover but never a Merc. If you want the Merc equivalent, try a Malo , Swan or Hinkley and pay the Merc price.