Jeremy_W
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Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s
I think there's a HR brokerage at Hamble Point Marina.
I think there's a HR brokerage at Hamble Point Marina.
What's so good about moody's
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Steve101
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Re: Keeping it 10 years.
Which is why I'm trying to benefit from all your experience. Yachting may be a serious and dangerous pass time of which I know little about, however money is something I never take lightly. That's why I ask so many dumb questions.
Better to remain quiet and have people think you're stupid than to open your mouth and prove it!
Which is why I'm trying to benefit from all your experience. Yachting may be a serious and dangerous pass time of which I know little about, however money is something I never take lightly. That's why I ask so many dumb questions.
Better to remain quiet and have people think you're stupid than to open your mouth and prove it!
Steve101
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Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s
My wife and I are going to be doing a 1 week competent crew course together next year and our day skippers when we take delivery as most people have advised us to do it on our own boat. My wife and I are equally bitten by the bug. Although it is only very recently we have decided to pursue our own boat we have talked seriously about it for about 3 years. I am tempted to charter next summer though and put off our purchase for another 12 months whilst we mess about on or dinghy. A) Just to make sure it's not going to be an expensive caravan B) Gives us a chance to spend more than a few hours on our 1st choice a moody 38cc and see if it's us
My wife and I are going to be doing a 1 week competent crew course together next year and our day skippers when we take delivery as most people have advised us to do it on our own boat. My wife and I are equally bitten by the bug. Although it is only very recently we have decided to pursue our own boat we have talked seriously about it for about 3 years. I am tempted to charter next summer though and put off our purchase for another 12 months whilst we mess about on or dinghy. A) Just to make sure it's not going to be an expensive caravan B) Gives us a chance to spend more than a few hours on our 1st choice a moody 38cc and see if it's us
jimi
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Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s
I'd certainly do a few charters first before buying & do the day skipper before chartering! Coastal skipper may be more appropriate for your own boat, although independent courses are a good way of meeting up with like minded souls.
Jim
I'd certainly do a few charters first before buying & do the day skipper before chartering! Coastal skipper may be more appropriate for your own boat, although independent courses are a good way of meeting up with like minded souls.
Jim
charles_reed
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Marketing
The boats are reasonably designed, reasonable quality, reasonable volume...
Other European boatyards can beat them on any one of those factors.
What they have done is look at the way the market is moving and kept in the "niche" where they're not under too much competitive pressure and can cover their high UK manufacturing costs.
The boats are reasonably designed, reasonable quality, reasonable volume...
Other European boatyards can beat them on any one of those factors.
What they have done is look at the way the market is moving and kept in the "niche" where they're not under too much competitive pressure and can cover their high UK manufacturing costs.
Jeremy_W
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Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s
Do a skippered charter on a Swan before you announce that Moody's are the "Mercs" of the yachting world. You might just be surprised. Certainly Swans are the yacht of choice for the ARC.
Do a skippered charter on a Swan before you announce that Moody's are the "Mercs" of the yachting world. You might just be surprised. Certainly Swans are the yacht of choice for the ARC.
Steve101
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Re: What\'s so good about moody\'s
I didn't announce that the moody was the "Merc" I was trying to translate someone elses post.
I didn't announce that the moody was the "Merc" I was trying to translate someone elses post.
G
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Re: Buy a Swedish boat...
Moodys hold their prices very nicely thankyou I am on my 3rd. The HR36 is very slow compared with the Moody 38 and the accomodation is minute, yes I have sailed a 36 and know many HR owners. The comparable boat is the HR39 which I would like but with what I paid new for my Moody 38 I would not have got a 5 year old HR39. If Steve can afford the prices of HR, Malo, Najad, Sweden Yachts in his shoes I would go for one. My choice would be the newish Najad 400. The car analogy is difficult but in quality terms I would say the Moody's fall between the scandanavian builders the bavaria's etc. As regards whether Moody's are safe enough to world girdle I would say just look at how many have been and are.
Pete
Moodys hold their prices very nicely thankyou I am on my 3rd. The HR36 is very slow compared with the Moody 38 and the accomodation is minute, yes I have sailed a 36 and know many HR owners. The comparable boat is the HR39 which I would like but with what I paid new for my Moody 38 I would not have got a 5 year old HR39. If Steve can afford the prices of HR, Malo, Najad, Sweden Yachts in his shoes I would go for one. My choice would be the newish Najad 400. The car analogy is difficult but in quality terms I would say the Moody's fall between the scandanavian builders the bavaria's etc. As regards whether Moody's are safe enough to world girdle I would say just look at how many have been and are.
Pete
gunnarsilins
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Only thing I can say is....
...based on my personal experience. Three years ago I bought an old Moody 42, built 1977.
"Ugly"?
Yes, maybe. But thats a matter of taste and personal opinion.
"Boxy"? Yes, maybe. Like the old H-R´s....
"Shagged"? Yes mine was very much, once. But this was thanks to the previous owner who had left her without any care at all the last years of his ownership. But now, If you called my yacht shaggy I would probably get very mad...
"Extremly bad built"?
Well, if that were the case, the results of bad building would have shown up on a 25 year old boat by now, would´nt they?!
Of course there are some very few details, as in all boats, which could have been engineered and made better, but in the whole I am impressed!
Solid, mostly overengineered and well built she had stood the test of time very well, despite the carelessness of the previous owner.
Moody´s after-sales service is another point.
I must say I have been given the highest level of service when I have been in touch with them. They have happily supplied me with detailed information and documentation for various technical questions. For instance, my boat have some odd details in the engine electrical system and instrumentation, ordered by the first buyer.
So Mr Moody himself arranged that the, now retired, electrical engineer who once made the installation on my boat called me over the phone to Sweden to try to help me to sort things out!
Remember, I live and sail in Hallberg-Rassy-Najad-Malo-land, Sweden is crowded of them.
Yes they are well built,
Yes, I believe the yards have excellent after-sales service. Yes they are good investments.
Yes they can doubtless be sailed out of sight of land.
Yes, you can be proud of them, watching from your dinghy.
No, I´m not sure they are worth the money. Defenetly not in my case. I had only a specific amount of money I could spend on yacht. And when I take a look on what kind of Swan, H-R or Najad I could buy for the same amount I spent on my Moody 42, I am happy I did spend it as I did!
So believe or not, here is a proud Moody owner!
...based on my personal experience. Three years ago I bought an old Moody 42, built 1977.
"Ugly"?
Yes, maybe. But thats a matter of taste and personal opinion.
"Boxy"? Yes, maybe. Like the old H-R´s....
"Shagged"? Yes mine was very much, once. But this was thanks to the previous owner who had left her without any care at all the last years of his ownership. But now, If you called my yacht shaggy I would probably get very mad...
"Extremly bad built"?
Well, if that were the case, the results of bad building would have shown up on a 25 year old boat by now, would´nt they?!
Of course there are some very few details, as in all boats, which could have been engineered and made better, but in the whole I am impressed!
Solid, mostly overengineered and well built she had stood the test of time very well, despite the carelessness of the previous owner.
Moody´s after-sales service is another point.
I must say I have been given the highest level of service when I have been in touch with them. They have happily supplied me with detailed information and documentation for various technical questions. For instance, my boat have some odd details in the engine electrical system and instrumentation, ordered by the first buyer.
So Mr Moody himself arranged that the, now retired, electrical engineer who once made the installation on my boat called me over the phone to Sweden to try to help me to sort things out!
Remember, I live and sail in Hallberg-Rassy-Najad-Malo-land, Sweden is crowded of them.
Yes they are well built,
Yes, I believe the yards have excellent after-sales service. Yes they are good investments.
Yes they can doubtless be sailed out of sight of land.
Yes, you can be proud of them, watching from your dinghy.
No, I´m not sure they are worth the money. Defenetly not in my case. I had only a specific amount of money I could spend on yacht. And when I take a look on what kind of Swan, H-R or Najad I could buy for the same amount I spent on my Moody 42, I am happy I did spend it as I did!
So believe or not, here is a proud Moody owner!
G
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Another point
Moody after sales service is very good...over the years it has improved out of all recognition. The Moody Owners Association is another good source of info.
http://www.moodyowners.org.uk/
Very knowledgeable people like Keith of SkyvaII run a technical area on the web site and is worth a dip.
Good boats, well built, British, loads of them around.
It is very fashionable to knock British companies, Moodys are still around and here to stay.
Pete
Moody after sales service is very good...over the years it has improved out of all recognition. The Moody Owners Association is another good source of info.
http://www.moodyowners.org.uk/
Very knowledgeable people like Keith of SkyvaII run a technical area on the web site and is worth a dip.
Good boats, well built, British, loads of them around.
It is very fashionable to knock British companies, Moodys are still around and here to stay.
Pete
Steve101
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Re: Only thing I can say is....
Thank-you for your reply. That pretty much sums up what I was hoping to hear. Thank you for your uncompromising opinion. I don't want to own a Rolls-Royce I want a good reliable family cruiser that will stand the rigors of time and I think you've answered my question succinctly and eloquently. Why buy a ferrari if all you wanna do is take the kids to the park in it? Thank-you also for Sven Goran Erikson. The Moody is leading by a length at the mo!
Thank-you for your reply. That pretty much sums up what I was hoping to hear. Thank you for your uncompromising opinion. I don't want to own a Rolls-Royce I want a good reliable family cruiser that will stand the rigors of time and I think you've answered my question succinctly and eloquently. Why buy a ferrari if all you wanna do is take the kids to the park in it? Thank-you also for Sven Goran Erikson
. The Moody is leading by a length at the mo!
Twister_Ken
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On Swans, and the M38
May I respectfully suggest that what you've said about Swans is true of the older models. From what I've seen of some of the more recent Swans, I think they've gone too much towards the racer end of the cruiser/racer equation, and left the pure cruiser market to their Scandi neighbours like HR, Najad and Malo.
Don't I recall that the Moody 38 was one of the very few boats reviewed by the IPC press which was roundly criticised - I think on the basis that it was too small to properly do justice to the centre cockpit paradigm. It ended up with the cockpit too high and too far forward so that the crew are exposed to lots of spray. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong - I've no desire to do Moody down.
May I respectfully suggest that what you've said about Swans is true of the older models. From what I've seen of some of the more recent Swans, I think they've gone too much towards the racer end of the cruiser/racer equation, and left the pure cruiser market to their Scandi neighbours like HR, Najad and Malo.
Don't I recall that the Moody 38 was one of the very few boats reviewed by the IPC press which was roundly criticised - I think on the basis that it was too small to properly do justice to the centre cockpit paradigm. It ended up with the cockpit too high and too far forward so that the crew are exposed to lots of spray. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong - I've no desire to do Moody down.
G
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Re: On Swans, and the M38
On the Current Moody 38 it is the driest boat I have sailed on...but I own one and have only been sailing for 48 years!!! Agree with you about the current Swans, the Sweden Yachts is a better bet in that range.
Pete
On the Current Moody 38 it is the driest boat I have sailed on...but I own one and have only been sailing for 48 years!!! Agree with you about the current Swans, the Sweden Yachts is a better bet in that range.
Pete
Steve101
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Re: Buy a Swedish boat...
Thanks for the reply and I appreciate your comments. Whilst I will bow to your superior knowledge of boating class structures my curiosity got the better of me and I trundled off to www.Hallberg-Rassy.com to check out the HR39. I havn't got as far as prices and specs (as a newby I suppose we all shoot straight to the gallery and layout page!) but I wasn't impressed with the fit-out. The Moody wins again with its highly polished Teak interior balancing a fine line between refinement and practicality whilst the HR (and I apologise for not putting a finer point on it!) reminded me of those Romany gypsy caravans (all drapes and frills). Once again I apologise to all HR owners and Romany Gypsys (I'm sure you love your Boats/Caravans). Please don't be put off by my rebuff, if you can point me in the region of a new boat which you feel would suit me better than the M38cc then please post. I'll be straight off to there website!!
Thanks for the reply and I appreciate your comments. Whilst I will bow to your superior knowledge of boating class structures my curiosity got the better of me and I trundled off to www.Hallberg-Rassy.com to check out the HR39. I havn't got as far as prices and specs (as a newby I suppose we all shoot straight to the gallery and layout page!) but I wasn't impressed with the fit-out. The Moody wins again with its highly polished Teak interior balancing a fine line between refinement and practicality whilst the HR (and I apologise for not putting a finer point on it!) reminded me of those Romany gypsy caravans (all drapes and frills). Once again I apologise to all HR owners and Romany Gypsys (I'm sure you love your Boats/Caravans). Please don't be put off by my rebuff, if you can point me in the region of a new boat which you feel would suit me better than the M38cc then please post. I'll be straight off to there website!!
pandroid
Active member
Re: Buy a Swedish boat...
I wouldn't describe any of the Swedish Boats as Romany Caravans. The major difference is that they are normally finished in Mahagony rather than Teak, (and silk rather than gloss) which can make them darker. The newer boats compensate for this by more windows, but the Swedes like their wood. The Najads and older HRs in particular can be a bit dark. I dont recall any frills on the boats I have seen (they photograph them with the curtains closed 'cos its easier to light - the Moody has curtains doesnt it?)
Certainly the accomodation is likely to be a bit tighter. The HR usually has a slightly smaller beam and a better seagoing layout which makes it better at sea. (IMHO) The Najad has an impressive galley, but I wouldnt like to use it at sea. One small thing that we liked was the prevelence of drawers and cupboards rather than open 'bins', but each to his own...
The older HRs (352 etc) are certainly slower and heavier, but the newer ones have been improved by Frers, who also designs the Swans. The Sweden Yachts are a bit more racey but the company has had its instability in the past.
It sounds like you are already convinced. No two people buy a boat for the same reason, and others opinions are irrelevant. The only thing to do is crawl all over as many boats as you can find, make sure you do a test sail in representative conditions, and compare the specs (although few people buy boats on fit alone)
I wouldn't describe any of the Swedish Boats as Romany Caravans. The major difference is that they are normally finished in Mahagony rather than Teak, (and silk rather than gloss) which can make them darker. The newer boats compensate for this by more windows, but the Swedes like their wood. The Najads and older HRs in particular can be a bit dark. I dont recall any frills on the boats I have seen (they photograph them with the curtains closed 'cos its easier to light - the Moody has curtains doesnt it?)
Certainly the accomodation is likely to be a bit tighter. The HR usually has a slightly smaller beam and a better seagoing layout which makes it better at sea. (IMHO) The Najad has an impressive galley, but I wouldnt like to use it at sea. One small thing that we liked was the prevelence of drawers and cupboards rather than open 'bins', but each to his own...
The older HRs (352 etc) are certainly slower and heavier, but the newer ones have been improved by Frers, who also designs the Swans. The Sweden Yachts are a bit more racey but the company has had its instability in the past.
It sounds like you are already convinced. No two people buy a boat for the same reason, and others opinions are irrelevant. The only thing to do is crawl all over as many boats as you can find, make sure you do a test sail in representative conditions, and compare the specs (although few people buy boats on fit alone)
Jeremy_W
New member
Re: On Swans, and the M38
"May I respectfully suggest that what you've said about Swans is true of the older models."
What's this respect bit, Twister Ken? Nobody respects me - they just tell me I'm wrong!
BTW, I did mean the more mature Swans, not the latest young upstarts.
"May I respectfully suggest that what you've said about Swans is true of the older models."
What's this respect bit, Twister Ken? Nobody respects me - they just tell me I'm wrong!
BTW, I did mean the more mature Swans, not the latest young upstarts.
Budgie
New member
Moodys
We had a Moody 34 which we changed 2 years ago for a used Moody 40, so I am obviously happy with the marque.
I have found that Moody provides reasonably good support, and that build standard is good and the boat is solid. In comparing other makes it is worth looking at weights and ballast ratios.
As to keeping dry, we modified the sprayhood slightly and have a good dry cockpit.
I have found that the design of the electrics and deck hardware, for example, is superior to that on the production French boats.
In quality I would rate Moody above Bavaria, Jeaneau etc, but below Halberg Rassy and Najad.
It's all horses for courses. If you prefer the centre cockpit concept, and you are looking for a safe family cruiser then a Moody could be a good buy.
We had a Moody 34 which we changed 2 years ago for a used Moody 40, so I am obviously happy with the marque.
I have found that Moody provides reasonably good support, and that build standard is good and the boat is solid. In comparing other makes it is worth looking at weights and ballast ratios.
As to keeping dry, we modified the sprayhood slightly and have a good dry cockpit.
I have found that the design of the electrics and deck hardware, for example, is superior to that on the production French boats.
In quality I would rate Moody above Bavaria, Jeaneau etc, but below Halberg Rassy and Najad.
It's all horses for courses. If you prefer the centre cockpit concept, and you are looking for a safe family cruiser then a Moody could be a good buy.
PeterGibbs
New member
boat comparisons - are they for real?
The talk is of which boat is better built etc. Are Najads measurably better then Moodys etc and on what scale and with what practical effect. The truth I suspect is that we are all casting around for ways to characterise different offerings using construction as a base. It's not for real. French boats are not yoghurt pots - they don't break up and sink, nor does a Swan deliver anything like its premium price suggests. There is a real element of "trophyism" here - boats are discretionary purchases, and folks do not want to be seen in boats owned by those they consider their inferiors! How else can one rationalise these purchasing decisions? Certainly not on technical performance grounds.
I moved from Westerley to Bavaria having gone through all the evaluations, drawn up lists of salient features, given them ratings, tramped round the shows - here and on the continent. The outcome? If I can't justify the premium then why am I paying the equivalent of one or more year's post-tax income for it?
If folks want a British boat at an affordable price, there is not much choice left now, is there. I left Westerly with great regret but the premium over other offerings just was not justified. I suspect the same is true of Moody. When Japanese cars first entered the UK market the same arguments were heard. Japanese cars came with higher specs so they must be rubbish - yes? Actually, no. And it is increasingly the same for boats - goodbye Westerly, Trident......
Peter Gibbs
The talk is of which boat is better built etc. Are Najads measurably better then Moodys etc and on what scale and with what practical effect. The truth I suspect is that we are all casting around for ways to characterise different offerings using construction as a base. It's not for real. French boats are not yoghurt pots - they don't break up and sink, nor does a Swan deliver anything like its premium price suggests. There is a real element of "trophyism" here - boats are discretionary purchases, and folks do not want to be seen in boats owned by those they consider their inferiors! How else can one rationalise these purchasing decisions? Certainly not on technical performance grounds.
I moved from Westerley to Bavaria having gone through all the evaluations, drawn up lists of salient features, given them ratings, tramped round the shows - here and on the continent. The outcome? If I can't justify the premium then why am I paying the equivalent of one or more year's post-tax income for it?
If folks want a British boat at an affordable price, there is not much choice left now, is there. I left Westerly with great regret but the premium over other offerings just was not justified. I suspect the same is true of Moody. When Japanese cars first entered the UK market the same arguments were heard. Japanese cars came with higher specs so they must be rubbish - yes? Actually, no. And it is increasingly the same for boats - goodbye Westerly, Trident......
Peter Gibbs
charles_reed
Active member
British Boats
I'm very glad I was able to justify buying a British boat - my functional spec demanded something that no one else but Parker's could supply.
However I'm afraid it's no accident that British sail-boat builders are a vanished species.
1. Their marketing has always been poor to non-existent
2. The management has generally been even more inept than pre-1980s UK motor industry management
3. QAS has been conspicuous by its absence.
4. Production engineering has been non-existent.
Compare this with BenBavJen.
1. Good, unscruplous marketing strategy with heavy government support from the beginning (in the case of Beneteau).
2. Designed for economic production and down to an attractive mass-market price.
3. Constant customer feedback and positive marketing input.
4. In the case of Beneteau, outstanding production engineering.
In a word it's professional.
However you'll find that the UK powerboat industry is probably the world's leader.
I'm very glad I was able to justify buying a British boat - my functional spec demanded something that no one else but Parker's could supply.
However I'm afraid it's no accident that British sail-boat builders are a vanished species.
1. Their marketing has always been poor to non-existent
2. The management has generally been even more inept than pre-1980s UK motor industry management
3. QAS has been conspicuous by its absence.
4. Production engineering has been non-existent.
Compare this with BenBavJen.
1. Good, unscruplous marketing strategy with heavy government support from the beginning (in the case of Beneteau).
2. Designed for economic production and down to an attractive mass-market price.
3. Constant customer feedback and positive marketing input.
4. In the case of Beneteau, outstanding production engineering.
In a word it's professional.
However you'll find that the UK powerboat industry is probably the world's leader.
pandroid
Active member
Re: British Boats
....However you'll find that the UK powerboat industry is probably the world's leader....
Which beggars the question, why?
....However you'll find that the UK powerboat industry is probably the world's leader....
Which beggars the question, why?