bobgoode
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Jeanneau S O 32... hate the mainsheet arrangement so changing it in the New Year.
Jeanneau S O 32... hate the mainsheet arrangement so changing it in the New Year.
What you don't like in your boat?
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jwilson
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Same model boat:
the totally inaccessible bilge compartment under the heads floor (unless you are a young chimpanzee with particularly long arms)
The huge deep (three illegal immigrants at a pinch) internal locker aft of the heads at the expense of a decent size cockpit locker (mines a single aft cabin version)
and going to windward in more than 30 knots. In light winds it's rather good.
Same model boat:
the totally inaccessible bilge compartment under the heads floor (unless you are a young chimpanzee with particularly long arms)
The huge deep (three illegal immigrants at a pinch) internal locker aft of the heads at the expense of a decent size cockpit locker (mines a single aft cabin version)
and going to windward in more than 30 knots. In light winds it's rather good.
billmacfarlane
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Maxi 1100:
1. Fuel capacity 90l - not enough
2. Water capacity 200l - not enough for an extended cruise
3. Quality of mouldings - not good.
4. Helm position - Uncomfortable and exposed. Reliable autopilot helps.
5. Given the size of the mainsail 3 reefs should be standard, but of course it's fixable.
Maxi 1100:
1. Fuel capacity 90l - not enough
2. Water capacity 200l - not enough for an extended cruise
3. Quality of mouldings - not good.
4. Helm position - Uncomfortable and exposed. Reliable autopilot helps.
5. Given the size of the mainsail 3 reefs should be standard, but of course it's fixable.
Searush
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
W Pentland.
As I have had this boat over 20 years I have fixed most of what p'd me off initially. Still too big when it comes to paying dues etc & too small when extended family join the crew at holiday time. Funny how boats shrink when they go in the water innit? Anyone got a Tardis going spare?
W Pentland.
As I have had this boat over 20 years I have fixed most of what p'd me off initially. Still too big when it comes to paying dues etc & too small when extended family join the crew at holiday time. Funny how boats shrink when they go in the water innit? Anyone got a Tardis going spare?
rwoofer
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Straight tiller whose swing takes up to much cockpit space. Would be cured by curvy tiller, but not sure I'll ever get the time to make that....
Straight tiller whose swing takes up to much cockpit space. Would be cured by curvy tiller, but not sure I'll ever get the time to make that....
Clyde_Wanderer
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
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Good thread OP.
Leisure 27; the cockpit is not long enough (they fixed this by making a 29) and the side decks are rubbish (but the cabin space is massive).
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This is the thing I dont loke most about my Hummingbird 30 too, the cockpit is tiny and can only have two folk in it comfortably. but again the cabin is big which I can live with.
The worst aspect of sailing her is the very bad weather helm, two arms almost wrenched out of the shoulders and legs jamed against the cockpit well, maybe that is why it is so small.
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Good thread OP.
Leisure 27; the cockpit is not long enough (they fixed this by making a 29) and the side decks are rubbish (but the cabin space is massive).
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This is the thing I dont loke most about my Hummingbird 30 too, the cockpit is tiny and can only have two folk in it comfortably. but again the cabin is big which I can live with.
The worst aspect of sailing her is the very bad weather helm, two arms almost wrenched out of the shoulders and legs jamed against the cockpit well, maybe that is why it is so small.
Clyde_Wanderer
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
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Foxhound 24, side decks, just a wee bit narrow for clambering forward and the coach roof is a wee bit cluttered. Otherwise I love her very very much!
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Great boat, my mate has one, and pushes her hard, normally solo.
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Foxhound 24, side decks, just a wee bit narrow for clambering forward and the coach roof is a wee bit cluttered. Otherwise I love her very very much!
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Great boat, my mate has one, and pushes her hard, normally solo.
Clyde_Wanderer
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
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Crew with ideas above their station.
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Yeh, I hate know it alls too, but will always give consideration to other peoples ideas.
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Crew with ideas above their station.
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Yeh, I hate know it alls too, but will always give consideration to other peoples ideas.
charles_reed
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
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Straight tiller whose swing takes up to much cockpit space. Would be cured by curvy tiller, but not sure I'll ever get the time to make that....
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Apart from a curved tiller (which does tend to rotate a bit under load) you could either extend the rudder stock upwards above knee height or fit a whipstaff.
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Straight tiller whose swing takes up to much cockpit space. Would be cured by curvy tiller, but not sure I'll ever get the time to make that....
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Apart from a curved tiller (which does tend to rotate a bit under load) you could either extend the rudder stock upwards above knee height or fit a whipstaff.
Drascomber
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
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My sail boat is too small/light when I am sailing and too big/heavy when it is on the trailer behind the car.
And I don't like the space inside that the centre board takes up when raised but I do like the trailerable aspect and shallow draft when it is up.
olewill
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Mine is just right behind the car but like yours it is too small on the water. Now if Father Christmas would just bring me Drascombe Drifter 22 which has no central centreplate to intrude . . .
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My sail boat is too small/light when I am sailing and too big/heavy when it is on the trailer behind the car.
And I don't like the space inside that the centre board takes up when raised but I do like the trailerable aspect and shallow draft when it is up.
olewill
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Mine is just right behind the car but like yours it is too small on the water. Now if Father Christmas would just bring me Drascombe Drifter 22 which has no central centreplate to intrude . . .
Refueler
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
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Straight tiller whose swing takes up to much cockpit space. Would be cured by curvy tiller, but not sure I'll ever get the time to make that....
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...but surely effective length will be same or less if you want to clear space ? Curved or straight ... it's length from rudder stock.
I have a curved job all nice with Turks head handle etc. but it's no real improvement over straight - just looks nicer. I have in fact a shorter straight 'emergency' tiller which has less sweep area ...
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Straight tiller whose swing takes up to much cockpit space. Would be cured by curvy tiller, but not sure I'll ever get the time to make that....
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...but surely effective length will be same or less if you want to clear space ? Curved or straight ... it's length from rudder stock.
I have a curved job all nice with Turks head handle etc. but it's no real improvement over straight - just looks nicer. I have in fact a shorter straight 'emergency' tiller which has less sweep area ...
mikehibb
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Guests that think that a 33 ft sailboat should be like a 20m mobo and that are more interested in their Sony PSP than passing me a winch handle.
Seriously I have had that situation, it was the parents that were playing with the PSP too. The kids loved it wanted to learn all the correct names for things and how they worked.
Just to balance things out, had a colleague from work and his wife on board last trip, first timers on a sailboat, had a brilliant time.
Kevin (for that was his name) said:
" when you want me out of the way just tell me to move, when you want me to do something then tell me exactly what you want me to do"
We had already gone through some of the basics that I would ask him to help with, taught him how to use the self tailers etc. By the time we had been out for a couple of hours and done a few tacks he could handle the boat pretty well.
They loved the day out and will be out with us next trip too.
I have learnt from these experiences that different people need different guidance when aboard. Some need to be positioned around a boat out of the way of the active crewing members area so as not to "get in the way" and be treated as if they were paying guests on a cruise liner. Others just need gentle guidance as what to do next to help.
After all it is meant to be an enjoyable experience. Funnily enough my guest that allways "got in the way" thoroughly enjoyed the day out too, sail to a bay park up, have a swim, light lunch and sail back.
Guests that think that a 33 ft sailboat should be like a 20m mobo and that are more interested in their Sony PSP than passing me a winch handle.
Seriously I have had that situation, it was the parents that were playing with the PSP too. The kids loved it wanted to learn all the correct names for things and how they worked.
Just to balance things out, had a colleague from work and his wife on board last trip, first timers on a sailboat, had a brilliant time.
Kevin (for that was his name) said:
" when you want me out of the way just tell me to move, when you want me to do something then tell me exactly what you want me to do"
We had already gone through some of the basics that I would ask him to help with, taught him how to use the self tailers etc. By the time we had been out for a couple of hours and done a few tacks he could handle the boat pretty well.
They loved the day out and will be out with us next trip too.
I have learnt from these experiences that different people need different guidance when aboard. Some need to be positioned around a boat out of the way of the active crewing members area so as not to "get in the way" and be treated as if they were paying guests on a cruise liner. Others just need gentle guidance as what to do next to help.
After all it is meant to be an enjoyable experience. Funnily enough my guest that allways "got in the way" thoroughly enjoyed the day out too, sail to a bay park up, have a swim, light lunch and sail back.
Refueler
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Absolutely .................
back to what I don't like on my boat ? The water that gets under side flaps of sprayhood and then comes down fwd bulkhead of cockpit even though there's a large lip to the edge to try and stop it.
Oh second thing - the blade step fitting for mast instead of a decent tabernacle. Can't retrofit either unless severe surgery to mast.
Absolutely .................
back to what I don't like on my boat ? The water that gets under side flaps of sprayhood and then comes down fwd bulkhead of cockpit even though there's a large lip to the edge to try and stop it.
Oh second thing - the blade step fitting for mast instead of a decent tabernacle. Can't retrofit either unless severe surgery to mast.
pollygonforty
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
5 feet 11inches headroom clearance intoaft cabin ,6 foot skipper , permanent scar on scalp after 18 years as liveaboard,wife only four foot nothing ,say's I am quick learner!!!
5 feet 11inches headroom clearance intoaft cabin ,6 foot skipper , permanent scar on scalp after 18 years as liveaboard,wife only four foot nothing ,say's I am quick learner!!!
TamarMike
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Washboards - companionway doors added to list of future jobs (would be easy to alter if it didn't inolve relocating instruments from behind door when swung open ...leaving a big hole from the porthole type compass...)
Washboards - companionway doors added to list of future jobs (would be easy to alter if it didn't inolve relocating instruments from behind door when swung open ...leaving a big hole from the porthole type compass...)
Alfie168
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Dehler 22. At 22ft everything is very compact, too compact if i'm honest, and although it has four berths, you'd need to be damn good friends, and four in the cockpit is pushing it a bit. The wind-up keel box dominates the cabin, but not as badly as that on a Jaguar 21. Having said all that, it can do most things bigger boats do, and a few things they can't.
On the upside the proportions of the boat are so perfect (it is a very pretty design) that from a distance I can pretend its a Dehler 38..and as I get closer it becomes a 34 then a 25, and its only a 22 again when you get close up. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Tim
Dehler 22. At 22ft everything is very compact, too compact if i'm honest, and although it has four berths, you'd need to be damn good friends, and four in the cockpit is pushing it a bit. The wind-up keel box dominates the cabin, but not as badly as that on a Jaguar 21. Having said all that, it can do most things bigger boats do, and a few things they can't.
On the upside the proportions of the boat are so perfect (it is a very pretty design) that from a distance I can pretend its a Dehler 38..and as I get closer it becomes a 34 then a 25, and its only a 22 again when you get close up. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Tim
James_Calvert
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Sadler 32.
My list:
The twist on-and-off cabin lights with lenses that fall off - and leave me in the dark - when I twist them the wrong way. I've replaced a few of them, but not all.
The cooker (Flavel Vanessa) which empties the oven contents, and loses the grill pan onto the cabin sole, whenever I forget to release the gimbal bolt before setting sail. Near top of list for replacement now.
Reefing lines at the mast, but main halyard brought back to cockpit. Not so easy when reefing single handed. (But not so difficult I've got round to changing it.)
SHMBO's list
Inaccessible locker behind the cooker. You have to unbolt a bit of worktop to get at it, or else swing the cooker through a ridiculous arc.
No 1 son's list.
The wire jackstays which slip underfoot when you step on them.
Until I pinched a spare one off his Topper, no tiller extension.
Sadler 32.
My list:
The twist on-and-off cabin lights with lenses that fall off - and leave me in the dark - when I twist them the wrong way. I've replaced a few of them, but not all.
The cooker (Flavel Vanessa) which empties the oven contents, and loses the grill pan onto the cabin sole, whenever I forget to release the gimbal bolt before setting sail. Near top of list for replacement now.
Reefing lines at the mast, but main halyard brought back to cockpit. Not so easy when reefing single handed. (But not so difficult I've got round to changing it.)
SHMBO's list
Inaccessible locker behind the cooker. You have to unbolt a bit of worktop to get at it, or else swing the cooker through a ridiculous arc.
No 1 son's list.
The wire jackstays which slip underfoot when you step on them.
Until I pinched a spare one off his Topper, no tiller extension.
damo
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Warrior 35
Love the layout and am slowly fettling fittings and furniture to get rid of irritations, but what do I hate the most?...all that bl**dy teak /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Dark and gloomy inside, except where I have painted or replaced with ash, and I HATE the old teak deck and trim
Warrior 35
Love the layout and am slowly fettling fittings and furniture to get rid of irritations, but what do I hate the most?...all that bl**dy teak /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Dark and gloomy inside, except where I have painted or replaced with ash, and I HATE the old teak deck and trim
john_morris_uk
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
Westerly Sealord.
Dislikes about our boat:
No bathing platform/sugar scoop. (I am going to have one fabricated in s/s eventually for when we live aboard.
The persistant oil leak from the engine which I can't find the source of.
Lack of spinnaker winches. (Easily fixed - just one of the list of jobs to do when SWMBO is in a good mood) (She hates the spinnaker...)
The hints of blistering on the bottom when I last had the antifouling taken off. (Hayling Island Hot Vac is due a visit sometime.)
The pipe that the previous owner fitted from the holding tank which SHOULD end in a pump out fitting on the deck, but ends in the cockpit locker with a wooden bung in the end of it.
The deck-tread which is wearing thin and needs replacing sometime.
Likes:
Having said that, she sails beuatifully, has load of room and accomodation and we wouldn't swap her for anything else short of a major lottery win. She is big and comfortable, but sails the socks off lots of other boats.
Westerly Sealord.
Dislikes about our boat:
No bathing platform/sugar scoop. (I am going to have one fabricated in s/s eventually for when we live aboard.
The persistant oil leak from the engine which I can't find the source of.
Lack of spinnaker winches. (Easily fixed - just one of the list of jobs to do when SWMBO is in a good mood) (She hates the spinnaker...)
The hints of blistering on the bottom when I last had the antifouling taken off. (Hayling Island Hot Vac is due a visit sometime.)
The pipe that the previous owner fitted from the holding tank which SHOULD end in a pump out fitting on the deck, but ends in the cockpit locker with a wooden bung in the end of it.
The deck-tread which is wearing thin and needs replacing sometime.
Likes:
Having said that, she sails beuatifully, has load of room and accomodation and we wouldn't swap her for anything else short of a major lottery win. She is big and comfortable, but sails the socks off lots of other boats.
misterg
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Re: What you don\'t like in your boat?
(Hunter Channel 323)
Steps:
The step in the side-deck roughly where the spray hood is - gets me every time.
The fact that the boarding ladder on the transom fouls the step on the transom, so the ladder doesn't fold neatly against the transom (fix-able, just need a round tuit).
The fact that I have to describe her as a (British) Hunter, or people think we have one of those Hunter Leg-ends /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
(Oh, and wash-boards, too. Also fixable, but need a bigger round tuit /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )
Andy
(Hunter Channel 323)
Steps:
The step in the side-deck roughly where the spray hood is - gets me every time.
The fact that the boarding ladder on the transom fouls the step on the transom, so the ladder doesn't fold neatly against the transom (fix-able, just need a round tuit).
The fact that I have to describe her as a (British) Hunter, or people think we have one of those Hunter Leg-ends /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
(Oh, and wash-boards, too. Also fixable, but need a bigger round tuit /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )
Andy