What Now skipper - A question of seamanship

[Genoa]

Great minds think alike ,seems the obvious answer to me.Posted it about 15 replies earlier

Obvious to me too (see earlier) But I'd still go Bahamian coz I hate being anchored the wrong way round by a stern anchor. You don't take any more room, and the boat points the 'natural' way

I can't understand why anyone would want to raft to a stranger as well. Would you trust a strangers ground tackle to hold you, or would you trust yours to hold a big motorsailer as well?

 

[graham]

Rafting out in a river is a no no for me as well.Apart from the extra strain on ground tackle if a Large vessel goes by kicking up a big wash then the two boats rolling whilst rafted up can cause a lot of damage very quickly .

If anyone is determined to raft up in open water then at least make sure the masts and rigging arent lined up with each other as the boats will roll together as the wash passes under causing it to rain VHF aerials and light lenses for a while.

 

[ninky]

. Would you trust a strangers ground tackle to hold you, or would you trust yours to hold a big motorsailer as well?

in the information where does it say that the motorsailer is big? it could be you are bigger. i think the term motorsailer is a little distracting. it is just, like many yachts let's face it, a vessel that relies on its engine more than its sails.

yes i would trust a stranger's ground tackle to hold, especially if you are cooperating on the anchoring. if you don't trust stranger's ground tackle i'd suggest moving away from so many anchored boats and finding an alternative place to stay the night. i'd have thought staggering the raft and adequate fendering would reduce the risk of damage when rolling.

 

[jimbaerselman]

VO5 has the point. What are you guys doing assuming that in a tide turning situation all those at anchor have only one anchor out? They're an intelligent bunch of good seamen. And they've all moored, with one hook up tide and one downtide. If they haven't, all those with CQRs and flat anchors will be ready to drag when the tide turns, flipping their anchors. That'll be fun if there's a little breeze from the north as well.

So, Mr Red should join the club. Moor with the rest. And if he really thinks they're all fools like him, happy to trust a single anchor while the tide turns, nip down the line in his dinghy and check. If they're at single anchor, bale out of the situation. Or moor, put lots of really fat fenders out, and check your insurance.

 

[TamarMike]

They're an intelligent bunch of good seamen. And they've all moored, with one hook up tide and one downtide. If they haven't, all those with CQRs and flat anchors will be ready to drag when the tide turns, flipping their anchors.

You must be joking.....we're talking Salcombe not Solent (or the Med)! I'll bet some of them don't even carry 2 anchors and have happily stayed put there with their CQR's many times over the years

 

[ninky]

BUMP

what was the answer?

 

[ianat182]

Assuming depth permits laying a kedge anchor at 45 degrees to present line from
my stern should take me clear of both neighbours at change of tide and revert to status quo at the next tide. Blue flag or not as you were last in the bunch up to you to move off and do the kedge thing ,that's what an engine's for innit.
You moored too close to the m/sailer's stern in the first place.


ianat182

 

[ianat182]

Just got to thinking if the answers from forumites could be somehow hidden until they've placed their own on the forum,before reading the others' answers. OK ,I know it isn't a competition, but might get rid of the superfluous drivel maybe not!
Inadvertent 'lakesailoring' notwithstanding.

 

[binch]

Rhymes

Everybody knows rhymes like
"If to your starboard red appear" etc.

There's also one which goes:

"Last to haul or last to veer
Has the duty to keep clear"

Isn't that in the yachtmaster syllabus? It should be. It could replace

"Red to red and green to green,
Perfect safety go between."

 

[webcraft]

Bail out

Well, I think the motorsailor is acting in an irresponsible and inconsiderate way. However after clarifying what his intentions were I'd bog off elsewhere cos I would'nt want to run the the risk of being anchored next to such a plonker and life's too short to get involved in an acrimonious exchange

What that man said. Life is too short.

At least up here this is a situation that is very unlikely to ever arise.

- W

 

[chrisclin]

What that man said. Life is too short.

At least up here this is a situation that is very unlikely to ever arise.

- W

Don't you go to Puilldobhran (sp) then?

 

[Spookyfella]

And the answer is ..... ??

 

[Quandary]

The answer

Sorry, you got the question for free, for the answer you have to subscribe to the magazine, thats if you are really desperate to know, however most of the answers on here are more interesting than Decembers YM.

 

[VO5]

I would not take any notice of what the magazine may offer as a solution.
It is quite obvious that the current arrangement will develop into a problem as a consequence of somoene else's lack of consideration. People who lack consideration for others often prove to be stubborn and sometimes even rude or even aggressive. You don't really want to be in proximity to people like that out of choice. The best option is to heave anchor and go somewhere else, and have some peace and quiet without feeling obligated to have to struggle with morons.

 

[VO5]

...I will add...regardless NOWADAYS of which ensign they fly.

 

[BruceDanforth]

Pull the anchor up and go to the Clyde.

 

[awol]

It is quite obvious that the current arrangement will develop into a problem as a consequence of somoene else's lack of consideration. People who lack consideration for others often prove to be stubborn and sometimes even rude or even aggressive. You don't really want to be in proximity to people like that out of choice. The best option is to heave anchor and go somewhere else, and have some peace and quiet without feeling obligated to have to struggle with morons.

Goodness, all that from a bloke putting an anchor into a dinghy! But I suppose if that is your attitude to life the concept of a polite, amiable conversation is probably alien to you. You may be right that the other boat's skipper is stubborn, rude, and/or aggressive, or he may just be a normal bloke who is unaware he has pissed off your SWMBO. I would recommend giving him the benefit of the doubt but I can imagine that if I was in his place (with my undefaced blue!), I would be glad to see you go.

I have found that conversation with other anchorers is always worthwhile if only to ascertain the scope being used to avoid turn of tide problems.

 

[dulcibella]

Only to be expected - motorsailors are half-way to the dark side, aren't they?