What kind of boat is this?

[Laminar Flow]

Interesting . I doubt the "Griffon" featured would sail any better than a Fisher.
The little clipper bowed thing with the raffee is cute, though, once I grew out of my pirate ship phase at the age of 12, I've always struggled with the affectation of a clipper bow on anything under 50'. While she seems to have a decent spread of sail, I would say she weighs in on the super heavy side and in spite of this her interior seems, well, err, somewhat cozy?

 

[srm]

always struggled with the affectation of a clipper bow on anything under 50'.

Likewise, way back in the 70's I fancied moving up to a Nantucket Clipper at 32 ft, until I realised that it was basically the same as my Trintella 29 but with a beak added. Looked nice though.

 

[Wansworth]

Yes on paper it looks a bit querky the photo of it sailing and having see. It up close years ago it came over as a seagoing boat.The wheelhouse as always takes a chunk out of the thirty foot and the accomodation is a bit cramped by todays standards.The other design was Danish for an owner who wanted a motor sailer that would sail and he could go fishing in designed by Slaaby Larsen in 1963 and the little clipper bow as designed by J FrancisJones for MaldwinDrummond in 1972

 

[Laminar Flow]

A wheelhouse only takes a chunk out of the accommodation if it doesn't contribute to the living space. We have an aft cockpit which is quite large and an off-centre, low sill entrance into our wheelhouse. To starboard there is a L-shaped settee that is, at 1.90m, long enough to stretch out on. There is a table as well that can be pulled from it's socket to do double duty in the cockpit for plein air dining. To port, in the entrance passage used to be a folding chart table, this I removed and put in a bench to provide comfortable seating on either tack. Two tables in the same space seemed like unnecessary redundancy. Then there is the pilot seat and steering station. This is the space we actually live in, take our meals, relax and operate the boat from. The bi-fold french doors stay open in fine weather and thus creates one large indoor/outdoor living space.
Two steps down, we have all the additional accommodations usually found on any other 30 footer, including two full-length sea berths in the salon. At only 31.5' over deck and with her 11' beam the CW32 offers the most space I've ever seen on a 31'/32' sailing boat, with perhaps the exception of a Hunter 32 which additionally had an arthwardships double under the cockpit offering a somewhat morgue-style accommodation for those with a penchant for exploring personal end-of-days scenarios.

With a bit of input, they can indeed be persuaded to sail in a manner that is not too embarrassing when compared to "real" sailing boats. At times, we have surprised others (and ourselves) by passing some, supposedly much more "performance" oriented, models.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

As Laminar says, the wheelhouse is part of the accomadation and ours holds galley and fridge. So nice to rise on a misty morning and brew tea while helming in the warm.

Some canvas most helpful for long keelers as steadies the roll. By judicious increase in sail area one can get the craft more sprightly in the right conditions. Oversized genoas are a good first call, and the penalty of the furling mechanism and foam luff is not that great for a non-racing craft.

Of course any such shallow craft makes less too windward than she points but one cant have everything

 

[Laminar Flow]

As Laminar says, the wheelhouse is part of the accomadation and ours holds galley and fridge. So nice to rise on a misty morning and brew tea while helming in the warm.

Some canvas most helpful for long keelers as steadies the roll. By judicious increase in sail area one can get the craft more sprightly in the right conditions. Oversized genoas are a good first call, and the penalty of the furling mechanism and foam luff is not that great for a non-racing craft.

Of course any such shallow craft makes less too windward than she points but one cant have everything

Agreed. Anything you can do to increase speed will also improve your upwind performance, even in shallow draft craft. The hydrodynamic lift increases with the square of the speed.

As you have also noted, our propensity to roll is significantly reduced by encouraging the boat to sail at speed, including downwind runs. I have posted a video on the open Colvic Watson forum on Facebook, if you are interested (you may need to scroll back to February), showing our tub racing downwind under spinnaker in about 25kts of wind. Our speed at the time was consistently between 7 and 8 kts.
The two points of note are: firstly, how little our wheelpilot needs to correct and, secondly, how remarkably stable the boat is, without any of the rhythmic rolling often associated with downwind runs, in spite of an increasingly steep quartering sea.

 

[Supertramp]

As Laminar says, the wheelhouse is part of the accomadation and ours holds galley and fridge. So nice to rise on a misty morning and brew tea while helming in the warm.

Some canvas most helpful for long keelers as steadies the roll. By judicious increase in sail area one can get the craft more sprightly in the right conditions. Oversized genoas are a good first call, and the penalty of the furling mechanism and foam luff is not that great for a non-racing craft.

Of course any such shallow craft makes less too windward than she points but one cant have everything

Agree.

I looked at Fishers and Nauticats before choosing a Cromarty 36 (same designers as a Fisher). It sails fine once the wind exceeds 10knts, has a massive genoa and realistically won't do much better than 50 degrees off the wind. Completely different motion and sailing tactics to the equivalent size fin keel yachts. I chose a long keel design deliberately and wanted heavy displacement. The accommodation and deck layout are fantastic for a 34.5ft LOD. Much finer lines aft than Nauticats or Fishers and a bit of balance in the rudder.

I too think a Sirius is perhaps the ultimate of this design type. It all depends how you want to sail and cruise.

 

[SaltyC]

View attachment 134519

Aah Gang Warily ......in the 'flesh??

 

[Frank Holden]

No Iam sure with the choice ofthe righ naval architect a Scottish wheelhouse can bemarriedto a proper sailing hull

Is this a 'Scottish wheelhouse'?
It certainly looks cosy.

A Hartley - probably ferro - seen in Strahan, West Coast Tasmania 20 years ago

 

[Wansworth]

Is this a 'Scottish wheelhouse'?
It certainly looks cosy. View attachment 134820

A Hartley - probably ferro - seen in Strahan, West Coast Tasmania 20 years ago

Almost looks like two separate boats…..sort of IP23 married to a sea lion 27

 

[PhillM]

Is this a 'Scottish wheelhouse'?
It certainly looks cosy. View attachment 134820

A Hartley - probably ferro - seen in Strahan, West Coast Tasmania 20 years ago

Why does this remind me of Rab C Nesbit?

 

[Laminar Flow]

Is this a 'Scottish wheelhouse'?
It certainly looks cosy. View attachment 134820

A Hartley - probably ferro - seen in Strahan, West Coast Tasmania 20 years ago

Its one of those strange things that happen when you leave your yacht tied up next to a fishing boat, unattended and without proper parental supervision ...

 

[Arcady]

The American Cabo Ricos have very flat aft sections with a semi-immersed transom, and a tall rig coupled with a good-sized wheelhouse. This enables higher than normal displacement speeds while still having the the opportunity of staying warm and dry.

Exactly so - like this!

 

[fredrussell]

Looks like one of the rarer foiling Cabo Ricos.

 

[Laminar Flow]

As with all things, wide, semi-submerged transoms and a extremely flat rocker also have their disadvantages.

These become apparent at low speeds, where the submerged portion of the transom creates turbulence and suction and the breadth additional frictional resistance. The flat rocker limits load carrying ability, as further immersion of the transom exacerbates the above mentioned issues, requiring a significant increase in power, more than a pure displacement hull, to propel the boat into a more advantageous speed zone.

 

[Gang Warily]

Aah Gang Warily ......in the 'flesh??

Yes , just as it says on the "tin"!!!!. For those that don't know she's a one of design by Jack Francis Jones for the late Maldwin Drummond ("Gang Warily" being the Drummond clan motto). Her chart house has changed somewhat under my ownership with the galley moved from the saloon into chart house (replacing the starboard 1/4 berth) so I can keep an eye open for the fair weather coastal stuff I do. Maldwin had her setup for more serious heavy weather sailing / marine survey work.

And what she looks like out of the water.....