What is the future of motor boating?

[scubaman]

Had an interesting conversation at the ice hockey rink locker room this morning. One of the team mates had recently gotten back from an overseas holiday, and his son had insisted that they offset the carbon footprint by eating vegetarian food for two months. Which they did.

When you think about that carefully, it’s easy to see that you can forget politicians and taxes. The change will come from other direction.

 

[Bouba]

Had an interesting conversation at the ice hockey rink locker room this morning. One of the team mates had recently gotten back from an overseas holiday, and his son had insisted that they offset the carbon footprint by eating vegetarian food for two months. Which they did.

When you think about that carefully, it’s easy to see that you can forget politicians and taxes. The change will come from other direction.

And what’s their penance for an away game?

 

[Portofino]

Had an interesting conversation at the ice hockey rink locker room this morning. One of the team mates had recently gotten back from an overseas holiday, and his son had insisted that they offset the carbon footprint by eating vegetarian food for two months. Which they did.

When you think about that carefully, it’s easy to see that you can forget politicians and taxes. The change will come from other direction.

It’s called planetary motion

There’s an inevitability to cyclical Earth warming and cooling .

We had three ice ages and in between three “ global warming’s “
Last one the N pole ice cap came down to a line from Lyon to Vienna .
When it retreated we got the Alps and the channel + loads old other U shaped valleys like the Ogwen in N Wales etc etc .
This all happened before any effective man made attributing effects .
So how come ?

Well it’s to do with planetary alignment and gravity .

Ideally all 9 planets ( or what ever number) orbit in a pure circle round the sun .
So there yearly seasons are the same temp wise because there distance from the sun is constant .
But in reality they gravitationally interact with each other .

The bigger ones can pull slightly the smaller ones .We are a small one .
So distort the circle to more egg shape .Hence our seasons .With 8 others spinning we have no chance of zero interaction and a pure circular orbit , and we haven’t got one .We have a distorted egg shape .

But every 100 or 1000 years it’s possible that due to the alignment a few big ones can really distort the egg shape of the lighter ones like Earth .

Fine you say .When the Earth moves to the end , the most egg part , the most distance from the sun ...Ok we have a cold winter so what ?
Buy it happens gradually and the ice at the N pole when the Earth is at the nearest position high summer does not melt back to the baseline so as the decades pass the Earth cools and there’s a 5 mike thick ice sheet over 1/2 of the EU .
The reverse happens when the gravitational influence of the largest diminishes, which is exactly what’s happening now , we - the orbit has been loosing its gravitational influence of the biggest planets .
Further more if the gravitational influence is lower than average then the orbit becomes more proper circle as less egg then the Earth goes through ..... the “ seasons are all the same “ theses days .

Global warming

Has mans , could man environmentally have any influence on the Earth orbit changes , the position of the other planets .....NOPE

So what we are seeing with 0,3 degree ( or what ever ? ) rise in Ave temps is due to a more circular orbit as opposes to a more egg shaped .

Both extremes are not nice .
I mean anyone up for a 4 th ice age .

 

[Sailorsam101]

Don't we own boats to get away from society..so i don't think many will give a stuff about what others think of us?

 

[rwoofer]

It’s called planetary motion

There’s an inevitability to cyclical Earth warming and cooling .

We had three ice ages and in between three “ global warming’s “
Last one the N pole ice cap came down to a line from Lyon to Vienna .
When it retreated we got the Alps and the channel + loads old other U shaped valleys like the Ogwen in N Wales etc etc .
This all happened before any effective man made attributing effects .
So how come ?

Well it’s to do with planetary alignment and gravity .

Ideally all 9 planets ( or what ever number) orbit in a pure circle round the sun .
So there yearly seasons are the same temp wise because there distance from the sun is constant .
But in reality they gravitationally interact with each other .

The bigger ones can pull slightly the smaller ones .We are a small one .
So distort the circle to more egg shape .Hence our seasons .With 8 others spinning we have no chance of zero interaction and a pure circular orbit , and we haven’t got one .We have a distorted egg shape .

But every 100 or 1000 years it’s possible that due to the alignment a few big ones can really distort the egg shape of the lighter ones like Earth .

Fine you say .When the Earth moves to the end , the most egg part , the most distance from the sun ...Ok we have a cold winter so what ?
Buy it happens gradually and the ice at the N pole when the Earth is at the nearest position high summer does not melt back to the baseline so as the decades pass the Earth cools and there’s a 5 mike thick ice sheet over 1/2 of the EU .
The reverse happens when the gravitational influence of the largest diminishes, which is exactly what’s happening now , we - the orbit has been loosing its gravitational influence of the biggest planets .
Further more if the gravitational influence is lower than average then the orbit becomes more proper circle as less egg then the Earth goes through ..... the “ seasons are all the same “ theses days .

Global warming

Has mans , could man environmentally have any influence on the Earth orbit changes , the position of the other planets .....NOPE

So what we are seeing with 0,3 degree ( or what ever ? ) rise in Ave temps is due to a more circular orbit as opposes to a more egg shaped .

Both extremes are not nice .
I mean anyone up for a 4 th ice age .

Seasons are nothing to do with Earth's orbit and everything to do with the Earth's axis of rotation. Suggest you read up a bit more on the subject.

 

[Rocksteadee]

Seasons are nothing to do with Earth's orbit and everything to do with the Earth's axis of rotation. Suggest you read up a bit more on the subject.

It would seem that he has.
Also I believe known as the Milankovitch effect

 

[Portofino]

Seasons are nothing to do with Earth's orbit and everything to do with the Earth's axis of rotation. Suggest you read up a bit more on the subject.

It’s the extremes gradual warming or cooling .
How do you explain the disappearance of ice from Lyon to Vienna .
We can only see Obviously the extent of the last ( of 3 may be more ? ) ice aged .

Summers are getting hotter or winters warmer because we are orbiting closer to the heat source ......at the mo .

 

[Portofino]

It would seem that he has.
Also I believe known as the Milankovitch effect

Just read this , it seems the “ tilt” changing too ( has a variable range ) in favour of hotter summers for us at this lat .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

So I can’t really see packing up meat for 2/12 or down sizing your diesels is gonna really x compensate for the gravitational influence of Jupiter and Saturn .
The fuel may well change and it’s usage pattern alter , but then it’s had anyhow say from 1960 ,s .It just evolved with the available tech .

 

[rwoofer]

It would seem that he has.
Also I believe known as the Milankovitch effect

Getting a bit pedantic, but that is one of the many contributing factors (which includes atmospheric CO2, water vapour and other geophysical factors) believed responsible for glacial and interglacial periods. The fact seasons exist is due to the axis orientation (which is why they occur on an annual basis), with parts of the Milankovitich effects changing the severity of the seasons. Our incomplete knowledge is why some of the potentially devastating impacts of climate change are not fully understood - many positive and negative feedback mechanisms to consider.

 

[nicho]

Getting back to the core of the thread, we sold our Cranchi Endurance in March with a view to giving up boating forever. Then a trip to the IOW set me off again - the pull of the sea etc. So, a few weeks ago, we bought another boat, this time a Bavaria 34 sailing boat. A beauty it is too. It will suit our pottering around the Solent, sometimes sailing, sometimes motoring. In latter form, it’s D1-30 uses around 2 litres an hour for 6 knots. Old and on fixed incomes these days, that will do nicely thanks.

 

[Ferris]

So the future of motor boating is.....sailing?

I tend to agree in the most part due to the lower power requirement due to displacement speeds and the roll reduction that sails give. The emergence of electric saildrives is interesting also.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

So the future of motor boating is.....sailing?
.

Maybe we'll all be tooling around at 20kts in one of these?

Not heard of the McGregor 19 for quite some time. Is it still on the market?

 

[petem]

I have no idea what the future holds but I tend to think that motorboaters are wise to keep below the radar for as long as possible. I'm not convinced that making a fuss about red diesel concessions being withdrawn is therefore helpful.

 

[Blue Sunray]

I have no idea what the future holds but I tend to think that motorboaters are wise to keep below the radar for as long as possible. I'm not convinced that making a fuss about red diesel concessions being withdrawn is therefore helpful.

:encouragement:

 

[Ferris]

Maybe we'll all be tooling around at 20kts in one of these?

Not heard of the McGregor 19 for quite some time. Is it still on the market?

They didn't do power or sail very well i'm afraid

 

[Blue Sunray]

Getting away from propulsion arguments. This might well have a part to play:

 

[Hot Property]

It’s called planetary motion

There’s an inevitability to cyclical Earth warming and cooling .

We had three ice ages and in between three “ global warming’s “
Last one the N pole ice cap came down to a line from Lyon to Vienna .
When it retreated we got the Alps and the channel + loads old other U shaped valleys like the Ogwen in N Wales etc etc .
This all happened before any effective man made attributing effects .
So how come ?

Well it’s to do with planetary alignment and gravity .

Ideally all 9 planets ( or what ever number) orbit in a pure circle round the sun .
So there yearly seasons are the same temp wise because there distance from the sun is constant .
But in reality they gravitationally interact with each other .

The bigger ones can pull slightly the smaller ones .We are a small one .
So distort the circle to more egg shape .Hence our seasons .With 8 others spinning we have no chance of zero interaction and a pure circular orbit , and we haven’t got one .We have a distorted egg shape .

But every 100 or 1000 years it’s possible that due to the alignment a few big ones can really distort the egg shape of the lighter ones like Earth .

Fine you say .When the Earth moves to the end , the most egg part , the most distance from the sun ...Ok we have a cold winter so what ?
Buy it happens gradually and the ice at the N pole when the Earth is at the nearest position high summer does not melt back to the baseline so as the decades pass the Earth cools and there’s a 5 mike thick ice sheet over 1/2 of the EU .
The reverse happens when the gravitational influence of the largest diminishes, which is exactly what’s happening now , we - the orbit has been loosing its gravitational influence of the biggest planets .
Further more if the gravitational influence is lower than average then the orbit becomes more proper circle as less egg then the Earth goes through ..... the “ seasons are all the same “ theses days .

Global warming

Has mans , could man environmentally have any influence on the Earth orbit changes , the position of the other planets .....NOPE

So what we are seeing with 0,3 degree ( or what ever ? ) rise in Ave temps is due to a more circular orbit as opposes to a more egg shaped .

Both extremes are not nice .
I mean anyone up for a 4 th ice age .

My Late father would have loved you! He wrote a scientific paper on how the sun is warming is up and man's efforts are insignificant. I have a copy somewhere and if you would like a copy do PM me....

 

[Lon nan Gruagach]

It’s called planetary motion

There’s an inevitability to cyclical Earth warming and cooling .

We had three ice ages and in between three “ global warming’s “
Last one the N pole ice cap came down to a line from Lyon to Vienna .
When it retreated we got the Alps and the channel + loads old other U shaped valleys like the Ogwen in N Wales etc etc .
This all happened before any effective man made attributing effects .
So how come ?

Well it’s to do with planetary alignment and gravity .

Ideally all 9 planets ( or what ever number) orbit in a pure circle round the sun .
So there yearly seasons are the same temp wise because there distance from the sun is constant .
But in reality they gravitationally interact with each other .

The bigger ones can pull slightly the smaller ones .We are a small one .
So distort the circle to more egg shape .Hence our seasons .With 8 others spinning we have no chance of zero interaction and a pure circular orbit , and we haven’t got one .We have a distorted egg shape .

But every 100 or 1000 years it’s possible that due to the alignment a few big ones can really distort the egg shape of the lighter ones like Earth .

Fine you say .When the Earth moves to the end , the most egg part , the most distance from the sun ...Ok we have a cold winter so what ?
Buy it happens gradually and the ice at the N pole when the Earth is at the nearest position high summer does not melt back to the baseline so as the decades pass the Earth cools and there’s a 5 mike thick ice sheet over 1/2 of the EU .
The reverse happens when the gravitational influence of the largest diminishes, which is exactly what’s happening now , we - the orbit has been loosing its gravitational influence of the biggest planets .
Further more if the gravitational influence is lower than average then the orbit becomes more proper circle as less egg then the Earth goes through ..... the “ seasons are all the same “ theses days .

Global warming

Has mans , could man environmentally have any influence on the Earth orbit changes , the position of the other planets .....NOPE

So what we are seeing with 0,3 degree ( or what ever ? ) rise in Ave temps is due to a more circular orbit as opposes to a more egg shaped .

Both extremes are not nice .
I mean anyone up for a 4 th ice age .

So, you really think that none, not a single one of the world's climate scientists havent thought of that? I dont just mean the 97% that agree that what we are experiencing now is man made and had never ever happened so fast before, not just them, but also the other 3% that deny its man made and have been proven wrong. You really think that NASA or any of the thousands of astronomers wouldnt be shouting about that?

They arent ,and you know why? Because thats not the reason for this MMGW

 

[rwoofer]

So, you really think that none, not a single one of the world's climate scientists havent thought of that? I dont just mean the 97% that agree that what we are experiencing now is man made and had never ever happened so fast before, not just them, but also the other 3% that deny its man made and have been proven wrong. You really think that NASA or any of the thousands of astronomers wouldnt be shouting about that?

They arent ,and you know why? Because thats not the reason for this MMGW

What I was getting at in a slightly more polite way What separates MMGW is the sheer rate at which atmospheric CO2 is building and that is unprecedented. Along with various ecosystems which have unknown tipping points (eg. ice sheet run-off) we are really taking some big risks.

Back on topic, I have already bailed out of motorboating even though that is what my family prefered most for in the Solent. Now back down to my Jeanneau sailing boat in Gosport. However, I am doing lots of dinghy sailing in the local reservior as my kids are now taking dinghy sailing lessons and at least one is really getting into it. Managed to do our first races last weekend.

 

[oldgit]

For many folks the cost of fuel does not come close to the other expences of running a boat. We all have benefited and taken advantage of this derogation virtually since leisure boating gained popularity in the 1950s and 60s and yet folks were still moaning even about the price of derogated fuel.
Suspect at some point in the very near future HMG will be casting around for methods to gather much needed revenue while claiming to encourage a reduction in carbon.
Any pleas for mercy due to the effect on the UK boating industry possibly deserves to fall on deaf ears, most new craft are exported out of UK where they have to pay full duty on their fuel and it does not seem to affected boat use at all. ?
Anybody know a single volume builder that has done anything to reduce emissions from boats by way of filtering exhausts especially on diesels.
Ever seen a placard at the boat show proclaiming how economical and clean this particualr boat is, quite possibly with a young lady in swimsuit in the background.