Well worth it!

[Its_Only_Money]

Brendan, this isn't a closed forum, people will join after you and want to discuss topics that you have previously covered, maybe even revisit them again as the issues change, technology moves on etc etc. Either this will happen or the forum will get no new contributors and die (full of "old hands" intolerant of newcomers).

If you don't want to take part in this discussion then simply don't - but don't slag off those who do simply because they haven't been here as long as you and haven't read every thread in the archives!

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Simon
Its Only Money
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[DepSol]

You cant honestly think that because your read and reply to nearly every post that everyone else does the same.

Not all of us read all the posts that go up and as said before the newbie cant be expected to troll through years of stuff to avoid repetition.

If you have put info up before then repeat a link for ease of reference.vvNot everyones memory is as good as yours.

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[Dave_Snelson]

Thanks Julian...

...for making me laugh on a Sunday morning

...I'll hold your coat - go gettem boy!

(I agree though)

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[BrendanS]

You are vastly overstating things as normal. anyway, here's one for a start
here

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[ontheplane]

I think "Slowly but Surely" hasn't got a grip on reality.

The truth is that apart from very rare powerboats, most people go for petrol over diesel because you can buy the boat for far less money.

Safety is an issue, but whilst I would love a diesel that goes well, my budget limits me to a petrol boat - does that mean I don't care about safety?? of course not - It just means that I have to make a choice - petrol boat or no boat.

his comment "Not really very surprising as there are not that many boats with petrol engines and by definition people who have petrol engines are not very interested in things like safety and self-sufficiency etc." shows a remarkable level of idiocy - perhaps he doesn't live in the same real world as the rest of us.



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[DepSol]

What do you mean as normal. I am just pointing out that you may have in your rush to get the post in that other people dont read every post and that other people may have not been on here as long as you so if you are quoting stats put the link on as you have with this post.

Brendan you didnt get one of the highest posting numbers by sitting there doing nothing you post on alot of threads and thats why you have a high number in such a short time. Thats not overstating things thats a fact, if you dont like that fact then sorry but the reasoning still remains regarding your post about the stats.

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[BrendanS]

>>because your read and reply to nearly every post<<

There are 46 threads I can see on this forum the way my preferences are set up. I've posted to 4 of them. So, far from replying to every post, it appears I only post to a very limited number of threads, never mind posts. So I restate, you are vastly overstating things as normal

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[Solitaire]

Me thinks thou protesteth too much! 7,500 + posts! Hardly a forum closet queen are we!

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[BrendanS]

If that's the point Dom had made, I'd have agreed. However he was talking complete twaddle. If you or him have a complaint about the way I use the forum, take it to Kim, otherwise F........

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[DepSol]

Easy now just pointing out that you do post alot as said 7500+ posts in 2 years pheeew you must certainly done alot to get that much in so little time. I think the only other person that would have got those sort of figures in such a short time would have been H1.

All we are saying here I think is if you quote a reference put the link up dont say you have already done it before as its no use to any one. I got no beef about it and no need to speak to Kim either just dont understand why your throwing your toys out the pram. I have taken enough comments from you in the past and never told you to FRO or report it to Kim. Ok so you don tpost on every post but you must admit it must be cetainly a high percentage of them.

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[BrendanS]

OK, lets take this back to basics. David commented that finally someone had found some stats to back up some of the claims about petrol not being inherently dangerous. I was just pointing out that these stats have been posted before, and used in other threads on the subject, though the anti petrol lobby as ever ignore them completely. As another poster had already put them in this thread, there was no need for me to post them again. Instead, I'm accused of posting on every post (not just thread, but every post), of using google to death (I personally don't care where good info comes from, and google is just one of many tools I use) and of being Happy like.

end of subject, if you or david have any more comments, please take them to PM rather than clutter up the forum further

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[DepSol]

"Err, these stats been posted before.... I know this for a fact as I've posted both stats and links before"

Sorry Brendan but it didnt say that you had posted those exact same stats before just that you have posted stats and links before and they could have been to something different. I also never mentioned anything about Google.

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[Solitaire]

If you have to resort to swearing by implication then............ Oh well! I have no gripe with the number of posts you make, that's entirely up to you, but why do you have to react like a spoilt child just because someone has not seen a link/post that you have made in the past as if somehow you have a patent on the issue. Perhaps it is the way in which you responded which has set this issue alight. Your response to the fact that you had posted the same links sometime previously came across as petulent. I'm sure that's not how you really meant it, but that's the way I read it - and clearly I was not alone. Anyway, my last comment on the subject.

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[Its_Only_Money]

Brendan - I think the point here is that you seem to expect everyone to use and view the forum in the same way that you do:

"This arguement has been done, over and over again, so excuse me if I don't take part in another one "

Well not by me and not, obviously by others on this (sub) thread, if you didn't want to "do it over again" then why post at all? (this was the argument against the NB forum after all - the ability to simply not partake in threads of no interest).

I am sure we aren't going to avoid topics just because they may have been discussed before, and I for one am certainly not going to search the archives to confirm one way or the other. The forum audience (posters and viwers) will change over time and of course people will join and ask for information on topics already discussed. If you don't like that then maybe you should "F........" (helpful addition to the discussion as that is /forums/images/icons/smile.gif ) as that is going to happen whether you like it or not surely???? I think it was Kim on another thread who said this isn't a private club or words to that effect.

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Simon
Its Only Money
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[BrendanS]

my point about not taking part in the conversation was not to you, but to another poster who kept insisting that those 'who have petrol engines are not very interested in things like safety and self-sufficiency etc. ' If I don't want to take part in such bigoted conversations, that is surely up to me

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[Its_Only_Money]

Well that's being selective, I read it that you didn't want to take part in "doing" that discussion again. As I have posted a couple of times in this thread it is indeed your choice so no surprises we agree there.

Still, this time around you seem more interested in proclaiming your knowledge of the stats and the fact that this topic had been covered before. Neither statement adds anything to this discussion whatsoever. Maybe qty of posts isn't everything and quality count's too?

Now does anyone still want to get back to the subject in hand?

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Simon
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[Nauti Fox]

Errr...yep,I fly petrol engined aircraft.Now they're not safe are they,always hearing of those falling out of the sky aflame.
I really don't understand the reasoning behind the implication that because you have a petrol driven boat you have Lemming like tendancies.Had both and neither has exploded.


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[SlowlyButSurely]

Crikey! I didn't know it was such an emotive issue!

I was only trying to make the observation that owners of petrol engined boats have petrol engines rather than diesel because their priorities are different and are therefore less likely to want to do an engine maintenance course.

I have already admitted that my original post wasn't very well worded. Perhaps the bit that said 'people who have petrol engines are not very interested in things like safety and self-sufficiency' should have said 'people who have petrol engines are more interested in things like power to weight ratio and performance'.

Appologies to anyone who took offence, it certainly wasn't intended.

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[Nauti Fox]

Non taken.Livened things up a bit!
Regards, Al.

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[Its_Only_Money]

Ahhh back on topic.....

"are therefore less likely to want to do an engine maintenance course."

This came out of the fact that there don't appear to be very many visible petrol-engine maintenance courses right? Well maybe it has nothing to do with the priorities of petrol owners but (certainly for petrol inboards/sterdrives) that such engines are inherently similar to what owners have grown up with in their cars. Perception is all and, whether right or wrong in their assessment that may be cause for a certain degree of comfort with a petrol motor whereas diesel inspires caution/fear of the unknown????

Interesting to know in the future whether such training (on either fuel), will be as important, after all if your TDC sensor or electronic injector goes belly up in mid-channel the parts/training/tools issues on a petrol motor are likely to be the same on all future diesels.

Some of your argument only applies to a certain range of boat sizes, after all it doesn't matter how careless you wish to be with your own life, if you want a 30ft+ boat in the UK then most available (new and used) will have diesel power, some whole ranges will be diesel only. Whereas at the small end it doesn't matter how safety-concious you are, petrol power makes some boats viable vehicles whereas diesel would mean they would not be fit for purpose - try getting a diesel 15ft ski boat!

I would rather subscribe to the view that safety-concious people (and lunatics) are statistically sprinkled at random throughout the boating fraternity. Certainly I might be swayed to the view that caution generally increases with boat size (which explains why so many motor-yachts are cautious to the point of never seeming to go anywhere away from their home berth), but I don't believe that is a function of fuel in the vessel.

Of course we could argue the opposite view, that with so much training put into diesel maintenance courses it is disappointing that 25% of fires/explosions (PBO figure) are still occuring on diesel boats??? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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Simon
Its Only Money
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