Weather to Sail in .. hands up!

[tcm]

Re: Crawly bumlick

I wil be leaving the kids at home watching the telly in anything up to a force 9 or possibly even a 10, before sallying forth down the M3 in the dirtection of SBS. Will this be okay?

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[penfold]

Re: excessive wind

????????? What is it with this country and fried food?
Oh, I selected the wrong subthreadette; whoopsy!

Apropos the macho-windy sailing thing, I would like to clarify that I have never gone out sailing with the express intention to 'catch some big air', nor would I recommend it unless, as jimi says, you have a strong boat and a strong (and numerous) crew. The occasions where I have encountered these winds have either been on passage during a delivery or on a distance race.

cheers,
david

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[jimi]

The implication of your answer was that I'm shouting my mouth off in the pub. That's not an honest answer, its a personal attack and as such feel that you fall far short of your self imposed standard as a "gentleman yachtsman".

Bet your one of these old fogeys that sit at 65mph in the fast lane stopping everybody getting past.


I would refer you to page 33 of the RYA logbook.



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[ianwright]

Well,,,,,,,

T"he implication of your answer was that I'm shouting my mouth off in the pub"

No. Just that you SOUND like some one shouting his mouth off in the pub..

"Bet your one of these old fogeys that sit at 65mph in the fast lane stopping everybody getting past"

No.I'm one of those old fogeys who drive at 80 and find I still get flashed at by people anxious to get past ,,,,,, you perhaps? .

"I would refer you to page 33 of the RYA logbook."

You can if you like, but I haven't had an RYA logbook for twenty years.

IanW.






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[jimi]

Re: Well,,,,,,,

Case proven, you come onto a forum for discussion about sailing matters and try and stifle a discussion by having a go at the poster .. not really the done thing old boy!

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[ianwright]

Re: Well,,,,,,,

If you say so, however to quote myself
"Being willing to accept the possibility of a hard blow and to prepare for it is one thing. To go out in the face of an adverse forecast is bloody stupid IMHO."
,,,,,,,, and now I'm going to my boat, see you in a week or so.

IanW.

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[jimi]

Are you sure?

THE SHIPPING FORECAST ISSUED BY THE MET OFFICE
AT 0505 ON THURSDAY 18 SEPTEMBER 2003

THERE ARE WARNINGS OF GALES IN VIKING HEBRIDES BAILEY FAIR ISLE
FAEROES SOUTHEAST ICELAND


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[tome]

Re: Are you sure?

Hi Jimi

You seem to have stirred a hornets nest here! I've been giving this some thought before responding, and most of what I'd venture is already covered by others.

I would certainly put out to sea (as opposed to Solent) in F7 provided it wasn't on the nose and I had a good crew who knew the boat well. I wouldn't dream of doing this with novice sailors or even a crew who were new to the boat. Snugged down with a couple of reefs, I'd not be overly bothered if it came on a bit stronger as it often does. Tides would certainly come into it - I would think twice about doing it on a spring tide. I'd prefer daylight but have done night passages also.

I've crewed a couple of times when we put out into a F8 on the nose. After 48 hours the entire crew were knackered and I wouldn't recommend it, I was much younger then.

My worst channel crossings was crewing on a trip to Cherbourg in a NE8 in April. It was bitterly cold and the subsequent forecast was increasing F9 which soon arrived. The seas built against the tide and we accidently gybed. During the gybe, the helmsman was caught across the face by the mainsheet and injured. The boom broke and during the recovery one of the crew was hurled backwards into the companionway by a big sea. He sustained 3 broken ribs. This is a highly abridged account, but I was mightily relieved to pass through Cherbourg breakwater and tie up. The two injured crew were taken away in an ambulance - hardly a fun or successful trip.

The point I make is that there are many factors to take into consideration including strength of crew, wind direction and fetch, tidal range and directions etc. I don't think the boat is a big factor except in extremes. In the end I don't think I've ever frightened any of my crew as a skipper, and hope I never do.

Regards
Tom

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[MainlySteam]

Re: Are you sure?

Jimi

We probably average around Force 6 here for Cook Strait crossings and generally would be between 4 -8 as regular expectation but not often below F5. My wife and I sail alone, but she is not a hands on sailor (I am very thankful that she loves being on the boat though) so is pretty much single handed. I would not put to sea if above F7 was forecast as around the bottom of North Island wind speeds can, in localised areas, be accelerated to double those forecast because of the topography, and because of the risk should the forecast underestimate reality. Am not averse to delaying a day or two even if less than F7 if the forecast is moderating to something more comfortable (including direction).

In about the last 20 or so crossings we have turned back once, through very steep seas with wind against the tide (but wind only about 25-30 knots), with destination dead to windward - just got sick of it, phoned and cancelled my work appointments and went back to shelter and fished!

An interesting thread, in more ways than one. At least if we were in the pub we would have some beer to share! But of valid interest I reckon.

John

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[claymore]

Irresponsible Post

I try to respond in that sincere and honest fashion that you all recognise and one that has turned me into the bastion that I have become. Next thing I'm being called a bumlicker and thrown amonst old fogeys who drive their cars too quickly at 65 mph and to be quite honest my next move is to PM Kim and get you all banned because its just this kind of thing that causes all the trouble in the world.
OK - I think anyone who goes out without doing a radio check and letting the coastguard know where you are going - EVEN if its just to the end of the fuel pontoon is totally irresponsible and anyone who starts off a thread that has anything to do with going out when the wind is actually blowing ought to have their boat confiscated for gross irresponsibility.
Saying it as it is.

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Claymore
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[Twister_Ken]

With all due respect....

Dear Mr Claymore.

I am afraid I have to take issue with you on several matters, viz

1. You are not a bastion, at least not according to your birth certificate.
2. Just because you're not a bumlicker, doesn't mean your nose is not brown.
3. 65mph is not an excessive speed for old fogies, once they have removed their hats.
4. What makes you think coastguards have the slightest interest in knowing where you are going? They are paid to sit in a warm, stable ops room and drink tea, not to write down "Claymore, 1 person and a cauliflower aboard, departing Watford Gap Services for Valparaiso. ETA 2005" then screw up the piece of paper and throw it away.
5. Nor are they empowered to provide a cheque for your radio
6. Sailing when the wind is blowing more than somewhat is a worthwhile activity. By extracting power from the breeze erstwhile and upright citizens such as Hurricane Jimi, Sergeant Pepper and Corporal Punishment are actually slowing down the wind, thus ensuring that your chimney pot is not blown into the next parish. You should be grateful to bampots such as they.
7. Thank you for the suggestion that boats should be confiscated. They could certainly be put to good use. Filled with young offenders on character building schemes they could be sent around the marinas of the west coast to recycle unwanted items found lying around cockpits and cabins.

I remain, sir, your obedient serpent.


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[claymore]

Re: With all due respect....

Chastened, humbled, the error of my ways as obvious as the mole on Ellen Macarthurs left buttock, I retire cowed, bowed and totally humbled to probably never show my face in public ever again - at least not on this forum
I retire, backwards and bowing respectfully whilst miming a tugging of the forelock and hope I don't trip over backwards and make an even bigger tit of myself.

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Claymore
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[Twister_Ken]

I should jolly well think so

That's more like it. Don't want the populace getting uppity. They'd be asking where the Weapons of Mass Destruction are next.



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[jimi]

Re: With all due respect....

1 He is he just spelt ard as ion
2)It aint its fuzzy grey
3)Old tossers get you 3pts and £60 when you overtake 'em on double white lines
4)They do .. hes doon ra Fleetwood SC gieng 'em fivers.
5)He's deef anyway7)
6)Just shows you AWB are better than auld yin's if ye wullnae tajke yours oot.
7)Flog 'em .. the offenders no' the boats
8)At least ah've got a storm jib for mah jacksie
9)& and a trisail
10)& a hat that's tied tae mah hied.

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[ParaHandy]

Re: With all due respect....

3) the DWP wid gie 'im a fiver fur each auld yin knocked aff ra penshun books and is 7) nae ra thurd way solooshun, michty me, ra blair and blunkit wid be fair pleased wi a' thon asylum seekers gan oot ra way an misteer wunch o' bankers giddens wid be fair pleased, the glekit twirp ....

onyways, tae return tae ra subject in question, ah've seen ra gov's wind farm map and there's nae gan ony wind at a' doon here ahent yon big windmills ither than ootside o' ra tandoori takeaways ...

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[claymore]

Re: With all due respect....

Para
Ye've no lost yer ability tae tell et hoo et is, despite yer spell in ra institooshun. D'ye feel ra same way as yin Jeffrey Aircher aboot ra lack o reedin an writin in ra big hoos er wiz stitchin mailbags richt enuff?

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Claymore
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[whisper]

We have left K.of Lochalsh with a forecast of W/SW8-10 to go down Kyle Rhea and the S. of Sleat.. Exhilarating, not scary cos sea state less than normal due to lack of fetch. Wouldn't have attempted it outside the protection of Skye.
Left Cala Rajtada ? Majorca with NE7/8 forecast following 2 days of gale force N.Easterlies. Sea state Rough - 4/5metres high, BUT, we wanted to go in a S.Westerly direction so exciting again. As before, wouldn't have dreamt of trying to beat into it.
I do hope this answers your question , Sir, and returns to the point of your thread.

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