25931
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Am I the only one who still uses the generic term as opposed to the trade name ?
Jim
Jim
Water scooter
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Dyflin
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Yes! 
webcraft
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Yes but . . .
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Maybe we should all start calling them that and see if it winds the drivers up a bit. I have a friend who insists on referring to sport divers as 'frogmen', which they don't seem to like very much.
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Maybe we should all start calling them that and see if it winds the drivers up a bit. I have a friend who insists on referring to sport divers as 'frogmen', which they don't seem to like very much.
- W
monkfish24
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I take it your refering to Jet Ski's? If so then i think so but it does seem to be a bit more demeaning to the things so i'm going to take it up!
snooks
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Jetski is a trade name, water scooter, reminds me of James Bond in "The spy who love me" but that was a wet bike
Anyhoo... the (politically) correct term for them is PWC, Personal Water Craft
So now everyone can stop calling the hoover a hoover, and refer to it by its correct title a Vacuum Cleaner
jenku
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Lakesailor
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Oh! You had to go there........didn't you?
KevB
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I guess if you call them a water scooter you will be the only one. I've never seen or heard them called that. But if you called them by their generic name of wet bike or pwc you wouldn't be the only one.
25931
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Sandyman
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Seems to me there are more serious accidents with theses damned things than any other form of water-sport. Here is a case where users should be Licensed and have to undergo in depth training before use.
jhr
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Do you think so? I don't have access to the numbers but I bet diving accidents (sub-aqua, rather than tombstoning
) cause more deaths and serious injuries than water-fleas do.
JasonClark
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you maybe missing the point pal, we are talking about "water scooters " cracking people in the head i think, mainly swimmers/divers not divers doing injury to themselves in diving accidents i.e decrompression etc.... for even more clarification people doing injury to other people, not people injuring themselves, big difference !Do you think so? I don't have access to the numbers but I bet diving accidents (sub-aqua, rather than tombstoning
jhr
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I'm not missing the point at all. I understand the general tenor of this thread perfectly well but I was responding to a specific poster who made the blanket statement: "Seems to me there are more serious accidents with these damned things than any other form of water-sport". I don't agree with him, and said so. Do you think I'm wrong?
DinghyMan
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BSAC Incident Report for 2008 http://www.bsac.com/page.asp?section=1038§ionTitle=Annual+Diving+Incident+Report
Worldwide:
359 Incidents
10 Fatalities - down from yearly average of 17.3 in previous years
Bear in mind that diving is a sport that is very open about reporting any incidents as we try to learn whatever it can from incidents.
Can't find a definitive membership count but its somewhere between 55,000 - 100,000 depending which BSAC site you visit and the incident reports include non-members.
Worldwide:
359 Incidents
10 Fatalities - down from yearly average of 17.3 in previous years
Bear in mind that diving is a sport that is very open about reporting any incidents as we try to learn whatever it can from incidents.
Can't find a definitive membership count but its somewhere between 55,000 - 100,000 depending which BSAC site you visit and the incident reports include non-members.
JasonClark
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if you mean accidents involving other parties i.e other people injuring other people or do you mean people doing damage to themselves ? for sure there are way more accidents involving water scooters where they directly injure other people than divers or swimmers injuring other people. the balance is re-dressed when you bring accidents where diver/swimmer through there own fault ends up drowning etc. so therfore upon that basis i believe your statement false, wrong and misleading.I'm not missing the point at all. I understand the general tenor of this thread perfectly well but I was responding to a specific poster who made the blanket statement: "Seems to me there are more serious accidents with these damned things than any other form of water-sport". I don't agree with him, and said so. Do you think I'm wrong?
There is a big difference when people hurt other people than when people hurt themselves as to who is at fault and who's to blame and mainly who is held ultimatley responsible.
Jetskiers are never out of the news these days after cracking some swimmer somewhere in the head, i'd like to see a diver or swimmer do this or even take a yacht out with his huge arm strokes.
jhr
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I'm afraid we are arguing at cross purposes here. You have added a series of post-hoc qualifications to Sandyman's original post which give it a completely different meaning to what he originally said.
Must go now, because I'm losing the will to live.....
Must go now, because I'm losing the will to live.....
webcraft
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Anazed
This May three divers died in the Sound of Mull. If you look HERE you will see that wordwide at least ten fatalities were reported elsewhere for May this year alone.
Last year must have been an exceptional year.
- W
I am frankly incredulous on hearing these figures - I would say more get killed in the UK alone most years.
This May three divers died in the Sound of Mull. If you look HERE you will see that wordwide at least ten fatalities were reported elsewhere for May this year alone.
Last year must have been an exceptional year.
- W
Doghousekeeper
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Nonsense. PWCs haven't had a 1979 Fastnet race equivalent, or a 1998 Sydney Hobart. Why do you think that being rude about them makes it any better? I don't see or hear much in the way of jetskiers being rude to sailors ... perhaps they are actually better mannered than you, after all??
RIB_imposter
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I've probably heard of more serious person versus propellor incidents than PWC v's swimmer.
Although rare there seem to be a measurable number of dinghy sailor on trapeze serious incidents too... perhaps there should be rules saying you can only do that with a safety boat present... Oh, hang on, most of them did!
Although rare there seem to be a measurable number of dinghy sailor on trapeze serious incidents too... perhaps there should be rules saying you can only do that with a safety boat present... Oh, hang on, most of them did!
DinghyMan
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Webcraft the figures I found were for BSAC not for diving as a whole as there are many organisations involved in diving.
Not sure where you'd get overall figures.
HSE quote 24 fatalities between 1996/1997 and 2003/2004 - http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/how.htm - which seems low and way out of date
ROSPA quote 22,000 accidents in 2002 and 381 drownings in 2003 - http://www.rospa.com/factsheets/accidents_overview.pdf
HSE quote 1 death per 200,000 dives - http://www.hse.gov.uk/education/statistics.htm - so 5 deaths per million dives
Not sure where you'd get overall figures.
HSE quote 24 fatalities between 1996/1997 and 2003/2004 - http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/how.htm - which seems low and way out of date
ROSPA quote 22,000 accidents in 2002 and 381 drownings in 2003 - http://www.rospa.com/factsheets/accidents_overview.pdf
HSE quote 1 death per 200,000 dives - http://www.hse.gov.uk/education/statistics.htm - so 5 deaths per million dives
