clyst
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I have a knot Master complete with all accessories including the original lub oil all encased in the original wooden box. I wish to sell it but whats it worth ?? Any ideas.
Walker knot master ---- how much ??
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Phoenix of Hamble
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They usually fetch around £80 to £100 on eBay... might get a bit more for a very tidy one
VicS
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Shoes are a vital thing to have with it!
Spare glass, line, sinker, spinner, etc all with it ? Instructions ?
Spare glass, line, sinker, spinner, etc all with it ? Instructions ?
capnsensible
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I was given one....doesn't help really. Um.
clyst
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Shoes are a vital thing to have with it!
Spare glass, line, sinker, spinner, etc all with it ? Instructions ?
That could be the one I have vic. Its all complete just like the one in the piccy
Ubergeekian
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Morgana's £80 - £100 seemed a little high to me, but if you have both the deck mounting plates then it's probably about right.
Poignard
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Does anyone use these anymore?
clyst
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You would if you do any long distance sailing .
Poignard
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Why?
Wandering Star
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Because when you're 1500 miles from land with no electrics (for whatever reason) it's reassuring to measure distance run fairly accurately in order to plot a DR more accurately than simply estimating speed and distance. For a long distance cruiser I would suggest a mechanical log is pretty much top of the list of stuff which should be carried even though hopefully it won't need to be used. Along with a sextant (a what?).
Cheers, Brian.
Cheers, Brian.
Poignard
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Why do you need to measure distance run accurately when you are 1500 miles from land?
When I crossed the Atlantic there were 3 GPS systems on board - one powered off the yacht's battery (two batteries on board) and two with internal batteries (plenty of spare batteries carried). There was also an electronic paddle-wheel log drawing less than two milliamps. Also a sextant.
I can see that people like the Pardeys, who have no electrics, would want a mechanical log but the rest of us mere mortals can manage without. Which is probably why they fetch such low prices on ebay.
By the way, if you are interested in buying one - I have two gathering dust in my wardrobe.
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clyst
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Why do you need to measure distance run accurately when you are 1500 miles from land?
When I crossed the Atlantic there were 3 GPS systems on board - one powered off the yacht's battery (two batteries on board) and two with internal batteries (plenty of spare batteries carried). There was also an electronic paddle-wheel log drawing less than two milliamps. Also a sextant.
I can see that people like the Pardeys, who have no electrics, would want a mechanical log but the rest of us mere mortals can manage without. Which is probably why they fetch such low prices on ebay.
By the way, if you are interested in buying one - I have two gathering dust in my wardrobe.
And If Uncle Sam turns it off??
Poignard
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Paddle-wheel log. Sextant. Dutchman's log.
1500 miles from land at, say, 5 knots. It's going to be a couple of weeks before you run aground.
Wandering Star
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If you trust your GPS (and backups) then why bother with an electronic paddle wheel log or a sextant both of which (using your own logic) would also be redundant whilst the GPS functions? Using the same logic as yourself I like to carry a mechanical log. It'll probably never get used (like the liferaft and EPIRB) but it makes life simpler if we ever find ourselves having to navigate using traditional methods.
Cheers, Brian.
Poignard
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Yes but you're misinterpreting me. I'm not suggesting having no backup; just no more than is reasonably justifiable.
It's a case of where you draw the line? What if your Walker log impeller gets snaffled by a shark? Ok you may have a spare? How many? What if a gear wheel gets stripped? Do you carry a milling machine and a dividing attachment? You could go on forever.
I'm not arguing in favour of being foolhardy, just for a realistic assessment of the likelihood of something going wrong and how capable you are of coping with it.
Cheers
Ubergeekian
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First thing I did when I got Jumblie was fit port and starboard deckplates for the Walker log. Accurate, reliable, simple - what's not to like?
KenMcCulloch
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So that you can plot your position using two sun sights and the distance beween to give a running fix, often called sun-run-sun.
Lady Campanula
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Parsifal's right, as far as his logic goes.
All professionals' organisations recognise the absolute need for a wholly independent reversionary system for when a primary system fails. That's why air traffic controllers, in their system, have to be able to revert to using slips of paper with aircraft clearance details pencilled on; airfields have emergency runway lights; aircraft have more than one fuel pump; RNLI lifeboats have more than one fuel filter; that's why hospitals have their own emergency gen-sets; as do large supermarkets; and merchant ships have alternative steering and electrical systems.....
What should we do, in this context of 'reversionary means' for critical systems, that we don't?
Do we have a spare lifejacket? Or personal lifeline? What about water? Or means of heating food?
Using GPS, we commit to 'Electronic Quick Fixing' navigation techniques. That's dependent on several services for its function, including a fresh, clean supply of 'lecky in the appropriate flavour. One also needs appropriate uninterrupted radio signals from space being received into a serviceable antenna.....
Those whose sailing horizons stretch back a bit recall that one can navigate around without 'lecky, using 'Analogue Slow Fixing' techniques. They still work perfectly well, should one choose to be bothered, and there's a certain perverse satisfaction derived in making those 'old timer' techniques work for you.
Just as it's a bit pointless timing your sun/star astro shots using your h/h GPS ( I know, I know! ), running an accurate mechanical towed log is part of the choice of reversionary system.
And who on here still does a compass calibration swing once she's put back in the water after 4 months laid up ashore on the same heading?
I'm not knocking the choice not to bother. Just so long as it's a deliberate and informed choice.
Poignard
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Necessity or nostalgia?
In the 19th century, when the Walker log was invented I wonder how many old mariners shook their heads and said "It's all very well I dare say, but I'm still going to carry one of these":-
In the 19th century, when the Walker log was invented I wonder how many old mariners shook their heads and said "It's all very well I dare say, but I'm still going to carry one of these":-
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Conachair
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Yep. I use it to calibrate the paddle wheel before going offshore. Don't use it all the time offshore as it gets tangled with the fishing line.
A month at sea is a long time to think about "what if....." A lightning strike is a real possibility, taking everything out, it's worth the money just to have that tiny decrease in worry knowing you can get some distance through the water data should things go bad.
If it's a realistic worry with gps's in every pocket doesn't matter.
