Visiting the EU & exceeding the 90/180 rule

[st599]

I thought the whole idea of schengen is the scrapping of border controls ?

Between Schengen nations.

 

[Momac]

Between Schengen nations.

Yes I understand that .
Hence my question about item 2 in the post below and the instant fine

 

[dankilb]

Problem with digital nomad visas is that they are in the ‘residency’ category. You become resident in the EU for the visa duration.

You therefore have to import the boat (unless it is EU VAT paid), pay VAT and meet CE requirements. This is a major disadvantage for most of us with non-EU VAT boats.

 

[st599]

Yes I understand that .
Hence my question about item 2 in the post below and the instant fine
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Because he re entered the EU from the UK having not bothered to check out previously, so the passport stamps showed him as an overstay.

It's up to the passport holder to gain evidence of arrival and departure.

 

[Momac]

Because he re entered the EU from the UK having not bothered to check out previously, so the passport stamps showed him as an overstay.

Okay the scenario is clear now.

Is going to the EU and not checking in an offence liable to a fine?

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Okay the scenario is clear now.

Is going to the EU and not checking in an offence liable to a fine?

Yes

 

[Momac]

Yes

Interesting as friend did that last year . Went by car ferry .Toured some EU countries by car over a fortnight and returned to UK all with no passport check or stamp.

In order to avoid risk of a fine how long do you get to check in when you arrive ?

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Interesting as friend did that last year . Went by car ferry .Toured some EU countries by car over a fortnight and returned to UK all with no passport check or stamp.

In order to avoid risk of a fine how long do you get to check in when you arrive ?

If he went by car ferry his passport would definitely have been checked it may not have been stamped but logged electronically. There is no time stipulated if arriving by your own boat you need to arrive and present yourself without delay France has specific ports for arrival, registration and clearance just the same as other places in the world. If you arrive by carrier be it air or sea you will go through a customs point either at embarkation or arrival it's the default.

 

[st599]

Okay the scenario is clear now.

Is going to the EU and not checking in an offence liable to a fine?

Not just a fine, you can be barred from re-entry and/or deported.

 

[LittleSister]

I think the jury’s still out on whether you actually need an address in France - it may well be that evidence that you meet the minimum funds requirement for someone without an address would be sufficient - can’t remember what exactly that is but think it was c. £240 per person per day.

So if you want a 6 month tourist visa to, er, tour France without pre-planned accommodation you'd need to show available funds of £43,200 per person!

 

[Baggywrinkle]

The nightmare scenario is as follows ...

You sail to an EU country in your own boat and don't get your passport stamped but remain in an EU country for a few days, weeks, or months. The probability of anyone finding you is pretty much zero and you can probably blend in and never get challenged - leaving later under your own steam with no-one being any the wiser. You are effectively doing nothing different to the immigrants crossing to the UK in rubber boats, just in the opposite direction in a nicer boat.

While abroad you might have an emergency that requires you to return to the UK immediately in which case you will almost certainly need to use a carrier and there will be Schengen checks done on your passport. Alternatively you might get involved in an accident or incident while abroad that results in contact with the authorities - they will need ID and in the case of UK citizens, this will be your passport. In both scenarios, depending on the mood and attitude of the people scrutinising your passport, the result can be anything from absolutely nothing (if they don't notice) to deportation and a ban from the Schengen area with a big fine.

Everyone is responsible for managing their level of risk, it's an integral part of going to sea, so everyone will lie on a risk-aversion spectrum somewhere.

Basically, how lucky do you feel and what level of risk are you prepared to accept?

The only mitigation against this risk is to inform yourself of the rules and follow them.

 

[Forty_Two]

So if you want a 6 month tourist visa to, er, tour France without pre-planned accommodation you'd need to show available funds of £43,200 per person!

For France its €120/day/person so it would be €21,600 for 6 months based on 30 day months.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-application-requirements/means-subsistence/

 

[stranded]

So if you want a 6 month tourist visa to, er, tour France without pre-planned accommodation you'd need to show available funds of £43,200 per person!

No I think I got that wrong - that was for two of us. But check!

 

[Fr J Hackett]

From what I understand it's €120 per day with no proof of accommodation and €65 with proof of accommodation, I suspect being able to show you have a boat and intend to use that as your accommodation would put you in the €65 / day category

 

[Momac]

Not just a fine, you can be barred from re-entry and/or deported.

That may be so but what is happening in practice?

 

[Fr J Hackett]

That may be so but what is happening in practice?

It's almost impossible to say as different officers in different countries and ports can and do react differently but the odds are that they will become increasingly vigilant.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

In reading the various threads and posts all dealing or rather attempting to deal with or circumvent the now restrictions on movement for 3rd country nationals within Schengen countries I have some sympathy for you all but it really should come as no surprise and such restrictions and visa requirements are common place throughout the world. Try sailing into a Caribbean island you will get your passport stamped for a limited stay even the Cape Verde islands limit your stay. It's something that UK sailors and tourists are going to have to recognise and come to terms with, what was the norm for world wide cruising now is the norm on your doorstep.

 

[bobgarrett]

CA has announced some extra temporary French ports of entry - Entering & Leaving France for Cruisers – An update from the Cruising Association | CA
And had a web seminar for members and non-members a few weeks ago on how to get over 90 days with a French visa. The recording of the presentation and details of the process are available to members.

 

[Sandy]

Yes I understand that .
Hence my question about item 2 in the post below and the instant fine

Let me reword my statement. A colleague left the Schengen returning to the UK. Several weeks later he re-entered the Schengen area and was fined €500 as there was no exit stamp in his passport.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

That may be so but what is happening in practice?

Who knows? .... just google the red diesel saga to find a massive range of penalties dished out for those infringements.

Basically there are two book-ends, from rapped knuckles and on your way, right up to whatever punishment they can dish out to an illegal immigrant.

Every case will be different and dependent on circumstances - you have to decide for yourself what level of risk you are comfortable with.

If you accept the risk, then bear in mind that some individuals purpose in life is to serve as an example to others.