Vimeo v youtube for free sailing vids - a bit of help if you have the time

[dylanwinter]

Well that's odd. I posted Dylan's video on my MacBook ... Safari ... OS X Yosemite and can see the video just fine. If you hit "reply with quote" you'll see the link.

However I've just looked on my iPad and iPhone ... Safari ... IOS 8.1.1 and as per foeu I just see my reply, no video. Hitting "reply with quote" does show the link is there but no video showing.

Good luck with that.

Hold on ... just had a thunk ... a few days ago I posted a Vimeo video on one of Dylan's other posts ...

Can we all see that?

Answering my own post here ... I can't see that either on my iPad.

Let me go find the other post I referred to and see if something has changed.

thanks for helping - I can see that film no probs

 

[Vara]

Just done the comparison, on IPad, laptop.windows, android phone.

Without messing around with settings the two mediums looked and sounded pretty much the same to me.
The differences in loading times were so small as to be neglible, and seemed to average at about 20 secs before play started.

Thats on 8mbps wifi.

 

[BERT T]

Just tried to watch Leaving the Humber on Vimeo and could not get it to play full screen, after a bit of messing around I found that you if you click on Vimeo on the bottom right hand corner it opens in a new tab and will then play full screen in HD.

 

[chrisbitz]

You tube delivers lots of eyes - but they are grazers rather than stayers

I think it works both ways - YouTube has LOTS of eyes, but they can graze TO your videos, as much as graze away as well. There's lots of sailing video makers that I've discovered from YouTube recommendations, as now YT knows I'm interested in boats.
And that's the perfect demographic - You don't want just eyes, you want the right sort of viewer that's interested, and will continue to watch.


YT's algorithms are very clever - the length of your films are not relevant - YT knows how long your film is, and how long people watch it for - So if you have a boring video that starts with a pair of babes in a bikini, YT knows that people start watching, and then click off after a few seconds, and knows it's a **** film. Equally, if it's a good film, and people watch it for a good period of time, YT knows it must be a good and relevant film, and will recommend it more. YT Recommendations are worth about 30-40% of my total views, worth a few hundred a month!

 

[Melody]

Just downloaded both versions on my iPad mini, no problem (can't comment on sound quality as my iPad is on mute while hubby watches rugby  )

I don't think you can embed more than one video per post, by the way. I think I discovered that when I tried it a while ago.

 

[st599]

Looking at the 2 videos, Youtube seem to have added a slight blur to the video to ease coding. Vimeo is slightly sharper but has more coding artefacts.

 

[DaveRo]

FWIW neither the embedded youtube nor the embedded vimeo will play on this Android (nexus 7) in either Chrome or Firefox. Both serve me Flash which I don't have. I've given up trying to work out why, and I don't know if it's a YBW or a Youtube/Vimeo probem.

 

[Sandgrounder]

Watched both versions yesterday on a goodish laptop running Windows7. Little to distinguish them in terms of sound or vision.

I watched both direct from the links in your post with no delays for buffering etc. Then downloaded the Vimeo version because where possible I prefer to download because I am not then dependent on wifi to be able to view. Vimeo took about 3 minutes despite warning me it would take 13 mins +. I liked the Vimeo service

 

[Storyline]

FWIW neither the embedded youtube nor the embedded vimeo will play on this Android (nexus 7) in either Chrome or Firefox. Both serve me Flash which I don't have. I've given up trying to work out why, and I don't know if it's a YBW or a Youtube/Vimeo probem.

Think it is something to do with the way this site or Dylan embeds them as his videos never work but some other youtube embeds do work (Hudl/4.2.2). Vimeo on the other hand normally works.

 

[DaveRo]

Think it is something to do with the way this site or Dylan embeds them as his videos never work but some other youtube embeds do work (Hudl/4.2.2). Vimeo on the other hand normally works.

You're right, with youtube it does depend on how you post it. I mentioned it on this thread. Whether that's YBW's problem, in that it's generating obsolete embed code, or youtube's, in that its embed code doesn't detect a non-flash device correctly, I don't know.

I've never knowingly seen an embedded Vimeo video here before. All I know is that the ones embedded in this thead don't work - they serve flash not html5 video. Again it could be YBW or vimeo's fault.

 

[Storyline]

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I've never knowingly seen an embedded Vimeo video here before. All I know is that the ones embedded in this thead don't work - they serve flash not html5 video. Again it could be YBW or vimeo's fault.

Do not recall with certainty that I have opened an embedded vimeo one here but have on other forums.

 

[DaveRo]

Do not recall with certainty that I have opened an embedded vimeo one here but have on other forums.

I just tried a few tag formats. I conclude that this forum doesn't handle vimeo embedding in the special way it does with youtube. While the [video] tag will generate html5 video on iOS and here on Android with youtube, it won't with vimeo. You get flash, which won't play in either. I think it needs an add-on to vBulletin.

Dylan: I would have thought you ought to get people onto your own site and off youtube which, despite zillions of views, you say costs and gets you no income. Does embedded vimeo work there? Can you post a link to one?

And perhaps stop embedding videos here - you've no idea who can see them and who can't. Post links to your own site.

Whatever, don't use [youtube] tags.

 

[ronsurf]

I'm interested that youtube provides no income. My friend is a film maker and her channel generally earns her enough to pay her rent.

Is there an option to post on both sites. My preference is Vimeo, there are less ads and a bit more freedom. Generally works well on my Mac at home, but so does YouTube, but with ads.

 

[dylanwinter]

I'm interested that youtube provides no income. My friend is a film maker and her channel generally earns her enough to pay her rent.

Is there an option to post on both sites. My preference is Vimeo, there are less ads and a bit more freedom. Generally works well on my Mac at home, but so does YouTube, but with ads.

youtube pays $1 per thousand - so my thirty million hits is worth about $30,000 - not a year I hasten to add.

I was thrown out of adsense(the youtube advertising scheme) three years ago

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/11/columns/guest/winter/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-youre-almost-forced-to-break-its-terms.shtml

water under the brdge now

I was happy to use youtube as it drove traffic to the website and youtube only delivered soupy slow images

now youtube HD is fantastic so there was little point in downloading the HD or buying a DVD


subscriptions and dvd sales started to slide - as they have all over the world

people wish to click and stream straight away now that many of us have decent bandwidth.

A lot of people watch the films on their laptops on marina wifis apparently. Blokes were paying a subscription just to keep the flow of films going but watching it on youtube. The blokes with the big tellies were downloading it and playing it off a memory stick but now they media enabled TVs that will play straight from the web


Last week - as an experiment on the latest films - I put them up for free with a witty five part donate button that asked how much the film was worth to you

five options from give £1 = barely worth the bandwidth to £5 - that was splendo

I change the little phrases with each donate button

much to my surprise people started donating - mostly around £2 per 40 minute films

- the best day was £80 - but the average was more like £30

at that rate the films will go a long way towards the costs of the sailing and towards replacement cameras

with the free downloads I was getting a donate ratio which varied from 17 to one to 30 to one

Each download was costing me around three to five cents - so I was ahead

but my line costs were heading for $600 a month - maybe more

it showed that there is a demand for the vids

I have never got on with vimeo - not enough bandwidth but it has got much, much better

hence the tests

if I upload the films to vimeo then they will host and stream them all for £200 a year and people can watch the film at std definition, 720p or othey can log into vimeo and download the original film without the extra compression.

I have said on the website that I am very happy for people to pass the films onto other sailors

I am planning to have all of KTL up for free with the occasional donate button see how it goes.

the good thing about the web is that you can change everything by just sitting at the laptop for a few hours

The world has changed a fair bit since I started this little trip in 2008

I am sure it will change more

I am looking to the day when I can have a live web cam on the back of the boat when I am sailing and I would love to use a drone occasionally

D

tPS he pages will look like this

and the downloads will not cost me anything beyond the £200 a year

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/sa...rningleft-season-6-part-5-leaving-the-humber/

 

[DRA]

Hi Dylan. I know you're trying different settings on Vimeo. Earlier this evening I successfully downloaded KTL6 part 3 0180p version via your website, but now the pages for KTL6 parts 4, 5 and 6 don't have a download link at all and the link on KTL6 parts 1, 2 and 3 don't take me to Vimeo any more - they just initiate a download I think at 720p).

Was this a deliberate change? I'm using Safari and Firefox on a Macbook.

I already have the DVDs for KTL 1, 2 and 3. Do you still have a stock of KTL4 and 5 DVDs? If so I'll get you to send me those after Christmas.

For KTL6 I'm happy to download from Vimeo, pay via the Paypal link and make my own DVD (though it won't have your nice artwork on the case/disk). I'd rather have the 1080p version if I can (I assume the DVDs you make are 1080p).

Keep up the good work.
David

 

[dylanwinter]

Hi Dylan. I know you're trying different settings on Vimeo. Earlier this evening I successfully downloaded KTL6 part 3 0180p version via your website, but now the pages for KTL6 parts 4, 5 and 6 don't have a download link at all and the link on KTL6 parts 1, 2 and 3 don't take me to Vimeo any more - they just initiate a download I think at 720p).

Was this a deliberate change? I'm using Safari and Firefox on a Macbook.

I already have the DVDs for KTL 1, 2 and 3. Do you still have a stock of KTL4 and 5 DVDs? If so I'll get you to send me those after Christmas.

For KTL6 I'm happy to download from Vimeo, pay via the Paypal link and make my own DVD (though it won't have your nice artwork on the case/disk). I'd rather have the 1080p version if I can (I assume the DVDs you make are 1080p).

Keep up the good work.
David

cheers David

those links shouold all work now


the donate buttons are not to be used on every film - just when you feel like


when I made the films free website traffic went up 20 fold - but so did the bill and each download was costing me around 5c - but they are now being served from vimeo so download away

I will make a KTL6 later in the spring if there is a demand for it

by christmas everything should be loaded into the free areas and we shall see where that takes us

so far blokes have been chipping into the wittily written hypothecated donations boxes

and leaving some classic comments

some of the MOBs are pretty funny

D

 

[DRA]

Thanks, D. Part 4 in the bag but no download links for 5 and 6. I'll keep watching. David

 

[jpcarter30]

Should have done it long ago Dylan but more than happy to subscribe now. Looking forward to streaming the films over the telly this christmas and settling myself down for an enjoyable time. May I ask, however, if there is a film schedule that you try to keep to? I'm looking forward to the next one after you left Bridlington.Keep up the good work.

 

[chrisbitz]

Am I correct in thinking that your YouTube subscribers are now considered "poor cousins" of your Vimeo fans? I just noticed that Vimeo is 3 films ahead of YouTube!

Here I am, waiting patiently for the next film to come out!

 

[ianc1200]

Dylan, we tend to watch on our smart TV now, and that means YouTube not Vimeo. Suspect a lot will be using their TV's rather than PC's/laptops/tablets. Quality is superb on 40" Samsung TV.