Vimeo v youtube for free sailing vids - a bit of help if you have the time

dylanwinter

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The digital universe is changing rapidly now that the pipes are so much larger. Now that lots of video can be streamed to a smart TV in HD downloading is going the same way as the cassette tape, the CD and the DVD.

I am blundering around the digital world trying to find alternative platforms to the googletron who now own /brand/distribute and exploit 99.9 per cent of all the digits I have ever produced in my whole life.

I have even renamed the boat in their honour.

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/googletron2.jpg

As a consumer I love youtube - it delivers such great stuff to my desktop - as a producer of films I have a slightly different perspective.

There are times when I feel like one of those small companies who supply tescos - there is no real alternative.

The difference is that tescos pays its suppliers and google pays me not a penny - actually I pay them £250 a year for the use of Google earth in the films they make a lot of money from - far more than I make. 30 million hits and still counting.

But it is a case of dance with the devil or die.



A few years ago I had my films on vimeo (and an outfit called blip) but my MOBs (mostly old blokes) told me that they seldom worked and I moved them to youtube because of the way youtube can deliver bandwidth and a smooth image

What youtube does is amazing. Their compressions and command of bandwidth is astonishing.

Sometimes when my web at home is going slow I will open a popular youtube video and start it playing and suddenly my bandwidth for other websites goes up as well so Google obviously gets some sort of priority when it comes to bandwidth rationing.

They bestride the digital world like a behomoth

I am told that vimeo has come on a long way and now looks good on laptops and tablets.

More of us have wider pipes and better screens than we did when I started KTL six years ago.

The web is much faster and that google bandwidth superiority is becoming less important.

If anyone fancies a few minutes comparing and contrasting I would be very grateful to you

here is the Best inland sail in Britain (big unsustainable claim I know but heck this is the web)

on youtube

if you open it in youtube, click the little wheel in the conre and get it to deliver the film in 720p - open it up to full screen.




and on vimeo


[vimeo]114060701[/vimeo]

(clearly embedding vimeo here requires some bit of code I cannot find)

https://vimeo.com/114060701

on my desktop at home I cannot get the vimeo to stream smoothly in whatever size window and it sounds as though they have crushed the heck out of the audio track. The reed warblers at the beginning of the film have all but dissapeared on my speakers.

from the vimeo page you can bully it into HD and also download the film in three different sizes. The orignal 720p I uploaded (450mb) (complete with reed warbler sounds) - their crushed 720p (200mb) and a tiny one for smartphones (71mb)

which is nice.

If that 450mb was coming from my amazon account it would cost me about 4 cents to serve to the web.

I recently did a free download trial on a couple of films from KTL6 and within a week my Amazon bill was $150.

From vimeo it will cost me £150 for infinite bandwidth for a year for all the films.

if anyone fancies downloading it from vimeo and telling me how long that took that would be most useful as well.

I fully understand if, on a beautiful day like the one we are enjoying in the midlands, you have better things to do.

D
 
Well a bit subjective, but I would say in HD/720 that Vimeo was a little sharper and more vibrant/colourful, and if YT was smoother I didn't notice it and certainly wouldn't unless I compared directly. Downloading the HD version from Vimeo took about 6.5 mins at roughly 600KB/sec at around 220MB. My connection is standard BT ADSL, speetest says I gat around 5M out of the 8M the service can provide.

Corrr I must go and get a life.......
 
Dylan, Firstly I need to confess I don't fully understand all the technical jargon you kindly offer in your missive and therefore I will just tell you as I see it, so to speak.
Secondly I only ever watch these kind of videos on a 4 yr Samsung old laptop with a 16 inch screen.
So that said I can't really see what the difference is. If anything I like the Vimeo one better (maybe that's 'cos I like to strike back against the "rulers of the world").
Go with what is less cost to you and I think you'll be fine! Don't over think it as I secretly suspect 95% of you "fans" don't give rats how we get to see them. My biggest problem is wasting my day thoroughly enjoying them, and wondering where the time has gone ! Jack
 
Just went back and compared the Audio, and again subjectively no difference, My sound system is just off the motherboard through a cheapish amp and creative speakers, so not top end. Heard the Warblers just fine on both. Wonder if the CPU/Memory makes a more of a difference on Vimeo. 6year old Overclocked 1st gen i7@3.3m and 16gig RAM. Is yours running on night lights?
 
Dylan, Firstly I need to confess I don't fully understand all the technical jargon you kindly offer in your missive and therefore I will just tell you as I see it, so to speak.
Secondly I only ever watch these kind of videos on a 4 yr Samsung old laptop with a 16 inch screen.
So that said I can't really see what the difference is. If anything I like the Vimeo one better (maybe that's 'cos I like to strike back against the "rulers of the world").
Go with what is less cost to you and I think you'll be fine! Don't over think it as I secretly suspect 95% of you "fans" don't give rats how we get to see them. My biggest problem is wasting my day thoroughly enjoying them, and wondering where the time has gone ! Jack


thanks for your kind words

and i agree

and I would rather sail and make films have a list of things I would rather be doing than mithering about formats and recreating web pages by shifting bits of html around

but there is no point making films if it is hard/frustrating for people to see them

D
 
Have iPad mini 2. Clicked on each and they loaded instantly. Excellent quality and content, thanks. ( I do prefer cliffs and hills though )
 
Have iPad mini 2. Clicked on each and they loaded instantly. Excellent quality and content, thanks. ( I do prefer cliffs and hills though )

very good - bless you for doing that

strangely enough I have just uploaded Flamborough head and also edited the stretches along Northumberland

so, lots of cliffs and hills to come

I will let you know when I finish what I like .... but I do love feeling the boat settling down into the mud deep in a salt marsh and to watch the water retreat - tand then sit and watch as it returns along with all the life it brings

but today would be an absolute stunner on the broads

lots of wind, fantastic light, lovely autumn colours, no mobos, lots of winter migrants and the chance of spotting an otter or two

D
 
Dylan

Have just done side by side comparison at half screen on:
Celeron 2.7GHz 4Gb RAM
Intel HD Graphics
HP2211 Wide LCD Monitor
Windoze 7 64bit
Firefox/VLC Media Player
Streaming (~500Kb/s) at 'HD' marginally fuzzier than 720p in VLC - on the whole extremely acceptable!

Thanks a bunch - ditch Googletron!

David
 
My PC really struggles with slow internet speed on HD. The colours seemed a little more saturated on Youtube but nothing in it really.

On the Hudl tablet both came up excellently with no fuss at all.
 
What it's like to show a video on Vimeo. :-)

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It's often been mooted by trendy college leavers that Vimeo is better quality, but I make my films to be seen, not to make some sort of poncey artistic statement.

Therefore, I only bother posting my films to Youtube, because they get around 100 times more viewers and people seeing them is all that matters to me..
 
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Our. Internet speed varies. A lot. Mostly its shit but we can usually stream from you choob. Vimeo tends to freeze every now and then and won't work at all when the web is slow.

Not scientific but our experience..
 
What it's like to show a video on Vimeo. :-)

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It's often been mooted by trendy college leavers that Vimeo is better quality, but I make my films to be seen, not to make some sort of poncey artistic statement.

Therefore, I only bother posting my films to Youtube, because they get around 100 times more viewers and people seeing them is all that matters to me..


you make an excellent point

and I utterly agree


You cannot beat youtube for numbers of hits, eyes on the screen.

You tube delivers.

I had vimeo on the website a few years ago - if they clicked on the vid and it did not play then they would blame my website

if they clicked on a youtube video it was a) much more likely to play and

b) they would not blame my website.

you tube is also incredibly sticky - it knows what to offer you next in that screen

you have just watched a slow edited poncey film of a an old bloke sailing an old boat up a river in the fog and when it is finished and the viewer has one more sip of whisky and is feeling mellow the screen is fiilled with 20 brilliantly picked images of other youtube films you might like to see.

So he leaves the website and goes and looks at pictures of this for instance





if you watch until the end you will see that youtube has annexed a space right in the middle of a forum and some blokes will clock on those and leave the forum.

I do that with my website - hand over great chunks of it to youtube to drive traffic to their site. Loads of people will watch a youtube film there and get dragged back to youtube.

I am not sure what will happen with vimeo


vimeo gets just over 100 million hits a month

youtube will get that on one film in two days

so when I make and post the jeckells film it has to go on youtube

youtube is the cleverest thing on the web

I have now had 30 million hits on youtube - they tell me where the hits come from - how many are from face book and how many from youtube.

Both the starlings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eakKfY5aHmY at 1.5 million

and the flower pot heater at 7 million



spread via face book.

big trucks - 18 million

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDyx0JyHelo


same thing

So I have been driving traffic to youtube

now I will drive it to vimeo

it will be an interesting experiment
 
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Just watched the Vimeo version in HD on a 21 inch HD moniter. The picture quality is excellent and much better than Utube on full screen, download speed running at approx. 11mb/sec. so no problems.
Go for it, although it does require a bit more work but well worth the effort.
 
I played both side by side on my desktop. Youtube automatically defaulted to the highest quality setting whereas Vimeo didn't. Until I selected the HD button on Vimeo the quality was terrible in comparison. I am not sure if these default settings are controlled at my end or not?

I mainly upload to Youtube and find the audiences are much bigger than with Vimeo. One of the best things about Vimeo compared to Youtube is that you can edit a film without losing the original url. So if you have a video on your homepage for example, you can change it directly through Vimeo (by uploading the replacement) without having to alter the website.

30 Million hits is a great achievement! I am not even quite at 100K yet. Obviously not enough French Toast being made on our yacht deliveries!

Pete
 
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