vhf procedure

[byron]

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With the utmost respect to those worthies who teach radio communications for the RYA. 'ROGER' and 'WILCO' (I will co-operate) are perfectly acceptable terms. Negative and affirmative too are better than Yes & No. for obvious reasons.
I have a professional licence which would entitle me to take the 2nd radio officer's position on a vessel. When I was a Skipper I often took vessels too small to boast its own Radio Officer and Bridge Officers were expected to be able to operate all the Radio Equipment on board. The test then was very rigorous and included exams both in a classroom and aboard.
When VHF first started becoming common aboard yachts in about 1972 owners were tested aboard their boats by real professionals. Radio procedure then was far far better than today and HMCG or Radio Stations would fall like a ton of bricks on to people who mis-used it. </span>

 

[Major Catastrophe]

Just dug out my old signals manual.

Quote. "Use of affirmative and negative as an alternative to yes and no is not accepted voice procedure."

If it is good enough for the British Army it is good enaough for me.

"Roger, I rolled the Rover over, Over." A message I once sent!

Must go, I'm going boating for the weekend.
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[Major Catastrophe]

I say again. Roger and wilco are not American in origin. They are British...dammit.

 

[Major Catastrophe]

Wilco = Will Comply

 

[Gludy]

Is it reasonable to state that other terms than the standard nautical terms may be used providing they do not interfere with the use or meaning of any standard terminology?

That a question - I do not know the answer.

 

[steverow]

Yes entirely correct, and basically at the heart of the problem.
The IMO on the onehand has decided to adopt a cutdown and altered proword subset, yet the rest of the communications fraternity, whether military, commercial, air traffic,amateur..whatever.. basically adopts the standard NATO set.
It is therefore hardly suprising that the Proword "ROGER" has crept into everyday usage in marine comms, because basically it's always been there. It is, you would have to say, endemic, and it would be a lot more reasonable for the IMO to adopt it rather than stubbornly say it doesnt exist.
Why also does the proword SILENCE have to be in French...SEELONCE and SEELONCE FINEEE. What advantage does it have...answers on the back of a fag packet...where it belongs.

Steve.

 

[Malcb]

Well MAYDAY is French, so why no?

 

[tazzle]

tee hee hee.

They had to give the frogs something - but giving them all the variations of saying 'Help!' seems a little cruel to me.

 

[Bergman]

The origin of "Roger" lies in the days of wireless telegraphy.

The letter "R" (.-.) was sent to acknowledge reception of previous transmission.

The phonetic for "R" was at that time "Roger" and the practice carried over into telephony.

So there!

Personally don't bother with prowords in conditions of reasonable copy don't see the point. - but will use them if conditions are very difficult for readability or if working a non English speaking station.

 

[steverow]

Nail on the head Byron,
Just another case of dumbing down.
I blame CB Myself which was the start of the rot.
I remember sitting on a committee in the late 70's to decide how CB could be implemented. One of the Home office guys said something like..if you give the masses cheap communication then they will abuse it...and it wont end there...

He was right..dead right.
As we are facing total de-regulation of the marine bands.

Steve.