Csail
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Why can't we get channel 0 , surely it would help in a rescue situation? Maybe if it could be a 'listen only' channel.
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landaftaf
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because its exclusively a search and rescue channel ...... its not legal to eavesdrop and not needed for 'others' to monitor the channel /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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because its exclusively a search and rescue channel ...... its not legal to eavesdrop and not needed for 'others' to monitor the channel /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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And anyway, they might want to talk about you, or take the piss a bit??? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
because its exclusively a search and rescue channel ...... its not legal to eavesdrop and not needed for 'others' to monitor the channel /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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And anyway, they might want to talk about you, or take the piss a bit??? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Csail
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You can if you have the right license, but just think if we could all here it would help in some situations. Some people died a few years ago (just off Cardiff) I heard the mayday but was single handed tied up in the marina late at night, with quite a big sea outside.......if i had known the full story i would have gone to rescue. Kids died! At the time our boat was an ex-lifeboat.
billywhizzzuk
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If Solent Coastguard need to involve anyone in a rescue situation you can communicate on CH67 so I dont think Ch 0 is essential to help. From SAR units perspective limited use of Ch 0 minimises the risk of open mike carry situations which would be a negative impact.
starboard
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Why can't we get channel 0 , surely it would help in a rescue situation? Maybe if it could be a 'listen only' channel.
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Listening to some of the numpties using CH 16 I think that would not be a very good idea.......out of interest if you have a dialable VHF radio you can listen to CH 0 on 156.00MHZ.
Paul.
Why can't we get channel 0 , surely it would help in a rescue situation? Maybe if it could be a 'listen only' channel.
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Listening to some of the numpties using CH 16 I think that would not be a very good idea.......out of interest if you have a dialable VHF radio you can listen to CH 0 on 156.00MHZ.
Paul.
peterb26
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Having been a coastie and had access to Ch0, it needs to remain "strictly SAR staff only".
There used to be regular periods of time when Solent would issue a broadcast "please limit all comms on Ch0" since the channel was pretty much swamped by the local RNLI, CG and other rescue services.
Hence the idea of opening it up even further would not appeal to them at all.
There used to be regular periods of time when Solent would issue a broadcast "please limit all comms on Ch0" since the channel was pretty much swamped by the local RNLI, CG and other rescue services.
Hence the idea of opening it up even further would not appeal to them at all.
alldownwind
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Having been a coastie and had access to Ch0, it needs to remain "strictly SAR staff only".
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Too right mate. Comms on zero are (generally) well run, brief, and to the point, and need to stay that way.
In fact these days if we coasties have more to say to base, as sometimes happens, then we use the phone instead to keep the airwaves clear.
Someone else said "you can have channel zero if you have the right licence". I don't think so. It needs written authority from HMCG where I come from.
Having been a coastie and had access to Ch0, it needs to remain "strictly SAR staff only".
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Too right mate. Comms on zero are (generally) well run, brief, and to the point, and need to stay that way.
In fact these days if we coasties have more to say to base, as sometimes happens, then we use the phone instead to keep the airwaves clear.
Someone else said "you can have channel zero if you have the right licence". I don't think so. It needs written authority from HMCG where I come from.
peterb26
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Someone else said "you can have channel zero if you have the right licence". I don't think so.
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Agreed.
Someone else said "you can have channel zero if you have the right licence". I don't think so.
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Agreed.
Phoenix of Hamble
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sometimes unpleasant news will need communicating, and thats best done, by the professionals, on a private channel.... IMHO....
Koeketiene
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Having been a coastie and had access to Ch0, it needs to remain "strictly SAR staff only".
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Too right mate. Comms on zero are (generally) well run, brief, and to the point
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Ahem - where's that tongue in cheek bod?
I listen in on CH0 on a regular basis (just curious I guess) - the amount of bollocks talked by RNLI/CG - in particular on the way back from a rescue/call out - sometimes beggars belief.
"Did you see... ; What an idiot... ; ... "
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Having been a coastie and had access to Ch0, it needs to remain "strictly SAR staff only".
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Too right mate. Comms on zero are (generally) well run, brief, and to the point
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Ahem - where's that tongue in cheek bod?
I listen in on CH0 on a regular basis (just curious I guess) - the amount of bollocks talked by RNLI/CG - in particular on the way back from a rescue/call out - sometimes beggars belief.
"Did you see... ; What an idiot... ; ... "
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landaftaf
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what you are alluding to is illegal
thats the difference between professional and amateur
professionals dont gob off on what is essentially breaking the official secrets act - I rest my case
thats the difference between professional and amateur
professionals dont gob off on what is essentially breaking the official secrets act - I rest my case
Koeketiene
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Channel Ribs
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Someone else said "you can have channel zero if you have the right licence". I don't think so. It needs written authority from HMCG where I come from.
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An original letter with proof of recipient's ID, despite some very well meaning locals best attempts. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
There is a serious issue here though, how good are we at asking for help? Another CG forumite once said "the last thing we want is a load of amateurs getting in the way."
A few days ago the local D class lifeboat was out and about late at night - fairly still and good visability, I thought that was odd so listened out on Ch16.... Nothing heard, so I put my coat on and wondered out to ask the pier master if he thought they needed help. He was equally bemused and equally concerned. Did they need help with something? Who knows.
Someone else said "you can have channel zero if you have the right licence". I don't think so. It needs written authority from HMCG where I come from.
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An original letter with proof of recipient's ID, despite some very well meaning locals best attempts. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
There is a serious issue here though, how good are we at asking for help? Another CG forumite once said "the last thing we want is a load of amateurs getting in the way."
A few days ago the local D class lifeboat was out and about late at night - fairly still and good visability, I thought that was odd so listened out on Ch16.... Nothing heard, so I put my coat on and wondered out to ask the pier master if he thought they needed help. He was equally bemused and equally concerned. Did they need help with something? Who knows.
alldownwind
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Er...um...I did say 'generally'. Can't speak for those wierdos over Orwell way......
Danny Jo
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A few days ago the local D class lifeboat was out and about late at night - fairly still and good visability, I thought that was odd so listened out on Ch16.... Nothing heard, so I put my coat on and wondered out to ask the pier master if he thought they needed help. He was equally bemused and equally concerned. Did they need help with something? Who knows.
[/ QUOTE ] In my limited experience, if they had needed help with something, CG would have put out a call on channel 16 "all vessels in the Malthouse area" with or without a DSC Pan Pan.
A few days ago the local D class lifeboat was out and about late at night - fairly still and good visability, I thought that was odd so listened out on Ch16.... Nothing heard, so I put my coat on and wondered out to ask the pier master if he thought they needed help. He was equally bemused and equally concerned. Did they need help with something? Who knows.
[/ QUOTE ] In my limited experience, if they had needed help with something, CG would have put out a call on channel 16 "all vessels in the Malthouse area" with or without a DSC Pan Pan.
cliff
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Why can't we get channel 0 , surely it would help in a rescue situation? Maybe if it could be a 'listen only' channel.
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Listening to some of the numpties using CH 16 I think that would not be a very good idea.......out of interest if you have a dialable VHF radio you can listen to CH 0 on 156.00MHZ.
Paul.
[/ QUOTE ]Or if you have a programmable VHF (ICOM for example) you can set up CH 0 then one could listen and transmit or so I am reliably informed - not that I would do such a thing /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
As for other comments above about the level of professionalism demonstrated by "professional" users of CH 0 - some usage has made me /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I do agree though that CH 0 should be kept for the CG and rescue services
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Why can't we get channel 0 , surely it would help in a rescue situation? Maybe if it could be a 'listen only' channel.
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Listening to some of the numpties using CH 16 I think that would not be a very good idea.......out of interest if you have a dialable VHF radio you can listen to CH 0 on 156.00MHZ.
Paul.
[/ QUOTE ]Or if you have a programmable VHF (ICOM for example) you can set up CH 0 then one could listen and transmit or so I am reliably informed - not that I would do such a thing /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
As for other comments above about the level of professionalism demonstrated by "professional" users of CH 0 - some usage has made me /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I do agree though that CH 0 should be kept for the CG and rescue services
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alldownwind
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[quote............A few days ago the local D class lifeboat was out and about late at night - fairly still and good visability, I thought that was odd so listened out on Ch16.... Nothing heard, so I put my coat on and wondered out to ask the pier master if he thought they needed help. He was equally bemused and equally concerned. Did they need help with something? Who knows. ...........
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er....training night?
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er....training night?
Channel Ribs
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Perhaps, but I see them train most weeks and this did not look the same. The pier master is also used to seeing them out and about but he also thought something was up.
Any road up, it is just an example; the CG maybe thought there was no-one around and so did not to do a Ch16 broadcast.
Any road up, it is just an example; the CG maybe thought there was no-one around and so did not to do a Ch16 broadcast.
alldownwind
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I don't quite understand all this.
If there is someone at sea 'in grave and imminent danger' then yes, it's highly likely that the CG MRCC will do a Ch16 appeal for anyone in the area in case there is someone close to the casualty who can assist, and possibly save life, before the RNLI or CG arrive.
But the vast majority of callouts do not involve 'grave and imminent danger', and do not require anyone else to be bothered with a request to help. The CG will just quietly get on with whatever resources have been assigned to the task - lifeboat, helo, coast rescue team or whatever. If they want more help, they'll ask. Otherwise, everything just happens, coordinated on Ch 0, where the CG know who's entitled to use it, and where they know that those people understand the SAR task and can be trusted to get on with it.
Incidentally, because we're aware of the earwigging that goes on, sensitive stuff will almost always be done on the phone these days. Last thing you need if you have just located a body, for instance, is scanner-man and perhaps local press all over you like a rash.
If there is someone at sea 'in grave and imminent danger' then yes, it's highly likely that the CG MRCC will do a Ch16 appeal for anyone in the area in case there is someone close to the casualty who can assist, and possibly save life, before the RNLI or CG arrive.
But the vast majority of callouts do not involve 'grave and imminent danger', and do not require anyone else to be bothered with a request to help. The CG will just quietly get on with whatever resources have been assigned to the task - lifeboat, helo, coast rescue team or whatever. If they want more help, they'll ask. Otherwise, everything just happens, coordinated on Ch 0, where the CG know who's entitled to use it, and where they know that those people understand the SAR task and can be trusted to get on with it.
Incidentally, because we're aware of the earwigging that goes on, sensitive stuff will almost always be done on the phone these days. Last thing you need if you have just located a body, for instance, is scanner-man and perhaps local press all over you like a rash.
