VAT Status post Brexit

[Chris_Robb]

@chris Rob
Chris I hope I not step on anyone toes , but as the EU commission letter been about for some time , I didn't think it was just for CA members to have , plus I sure you know I do think it's important that such news is passed to everyone who it may affect.

Vic - I will publish it here if I get hold of it. We are all it it together

 

[Chris_Robb]

Importance of EVIDENCE of being in the UE 27 on B Day

I personally think the most important thing you can do if you are in the EU27 is to get a very specific Marina Invoice for a day either side of Bday (unfortunate word that), and take it to a local Solicitor and get it notarised.

Then put it away with your ships papers - until you come to sell her. It is then that you will benefit - you know the objections that come up over doubts on VAT on a sale - so having this and notarised - will knock that objection firmly on the head.

My problem is that the yard I am in does not do invoices - and just wants cash.... Which of course could land me in a Greek Jail technically as the customer by law should not pay if there is no receipt issued in Greece........ Luckily I think My DEKPA should provide that proof, though all my documents are with the Port Police whilst the vessel is "Out of Use". What happens if they have lost my documents? :disgust:

 

[macd]

Re: Importance of EVIDENCE of being in the UE 27 on B Day

...Bday (unfortunate word that)

Oddly enough, a bunch of us were just laughing wryly about how apposite it was :ambivalence:

 

[macd]

Where Brexit is concerned the EU speculate as much as everybody else.

Moreover, whatever Brussels may or may not say, countries will continue to enforce the rules as they see fit, with, at times scant regard for what Brussels may or may not say.

I have long held the view that the UK takes far more notice of Brussels than many others and this may be the root of may problems.

Nortada: I fully sympathise with any UK cruiser's frustration with the current state of affairs. But, with the greatest respect (not least for starting this thread in the way that you did) this is just unhelpful ranting. Please try to stick to the objective and constructive principles on which you began it.

 

[nortada]

Nortada: I fully sympathise with any UK cruiser's frustration with the current state of affairs. But, with the greatest respect (not least for starting this thread in the way that you did) this is just unhelpful ranting. Please try to stick to the objective and constructive principles on which you began it.

I do not see this as a rant, rather a constructive observation on perceived realities.

As to frustration; my main frustration is the number of threads going over the same ground. Most of which is just speculation, working on the principle that the more often it is quoted, the more likely it is to happen.

Case in point, currently we have 3 threads in 2 forums, best guessing the VAT situation post Brexit; ably abetted by the RYA and CA, who themselves have no idea how things will turn out. Why no idea? Well, the powers that will make the decisions have, themselves, yet to decide.

The real irony is that it is looking increasingly likely that Brexit may never happen so all of this speculation will never be resolved but just consigned to the dustbin of history.

 

[Garold]

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I have long held the view that the UK takes far more notice of Brussels than many others and this may be the root of may problems.

+1

 

[sailaboutvic]

I do not see this as a rant, rather a constructive observation on perceived realities.

As to frustration; my main frustration is the number of threads going over the same ground. Most of which is just speculation, working on the principle that the more often it is quoted, the more likely it is to happen.

Case in point, currently we have 3 threads in 2 forums, best guessing the VAT situation post Brexit; ably abetted by the RYA and CA, who themselves have no idea how things will turn out. Why no idea? Well, the powers that will make the decisions have, themselves, yet to decide.

The real irony is that it is looking increasingly likely that Brexit may never happen so all of this speculation will never be resolved but just consigned to the dustbin of history.

Has I said else where , we just need something to stress about or we just not happy .
It's getting boring.
Starting new thread ( VAT on boats if we happen to leave the EU and then re join the EU )

 

[macd]

I do not see this as a rant, rather a constructive observation on perceived realities.

How is it "constructive" to raise a perceived issue with not the slightest suggestion as to what we might do about it, other than sulk?

Case in point, currently we have 3 threads in 2 forums, best guessing the VAT situation post Brexit; ably abetted by the RYA and CA, who themselves have no idea how things will turn out. Why no idea? Well, the powers that will make the decisions have, themselves, yet to decide.

So you believe the letters from the Commission are fakes? Just plain wrong? Before you dismiss them, I suggest you need to justify why.

 

[greeny]

So if a boat's VAT status is to be determined by its location on brexit day, will cars, motorhomes, heavy goods vehicles, aeroplanes etc. etc. all be subject to the same judgement?

 

[Graham376]

So if a boat's VAT status is to be determined by its location on brexit day, will cars, motorhomes, heavy goods vehicles, aeroplanes etc. etc. all be subject to the same judgement?

This is what surprises me as the VAT position would presumably be reciprocal with every EU means of transport visiting the UK being VAT unpaid. Can't help but wonder if it's just more pressure being brought by the EU to accept their "deal".

 

[nortada]

How is it "constructive" to raise a perceived issue with not the slightest suggestion as to what we might do about it, other than sulk?

So you believe the letters from the Commission are fakes? Just plain wrong? Before you dismiss them, I suggest you need to justify why.

Don’t think we are on the same planet.

Having raised a perceived issue, it doesn’t follow that there will be any suggestions on how to resove it but it is still an issue.

This is at the heart of much of the Brexit debate.

Sulk moi Think you must have the wrong bloke. Man of action me.

EU producing fakes? Not possible, if it they produce it how can it be a fake.

EU Commission producing misleading documents - possible but more likely people putting their own spin on prouncements from all sides.:nonchalance:

Sorry, won’t be justifying anything - just take it or leave it.:encouragement:

However, where ever possible, I will avoid idle speculation but continue with a positive attitude to make the best of the hand I am dealt.

 

[RupertW]

This is what surprises me as the VAT position would presumably be reciprocal with every EU means of transport visiting the UK being VAT unpaid. Can't help but wonder if it's just more pressure being brought by the EU to accept their "deal".

It's not their deal - its ours. Their position is that they want us to stay but can't prevent us going. We've ended up with this terrible deal because our ask was contradictory.

 

[lw395]

So if a boat's VAT status is to be determined by its location on brexit day, will cars, motorhomes, heavy goods vehicles, aeroplanes etc. etc. all be subject to the same judgement?

As I said on the scuttlebutt thread, the interpretation of what the EU said to mean where your boat is at 0001 hrs on B'day is the only thing that matters, is something of a leap of interpretation.

 

[greeny]

As I said on the scuttlebutt thread, the interpretation of what the EU said to mean where your boat is at 0001 hrs on B'day is the only thing that matters, is something of a leap of interpretation.

I agree, and my post was supposed to read as a somewhat sarcastic comment but I guess it didn't come across that way.
Far too much fear and panic at the moment in my opinion. I have taken some simple easily achievable steps to try to mitigate a "no deal" brexit but certainly wouldn't consider re-positioning my boat from Portugal to UK for brexit day.

 

[dslittle]

I agree there's been too much scare mongering about this issue. Having to obtain a transit log, if that's what happens, is not going to cause any major inconvenience to cruisers. The boat can stay for 18 months and only needs to leave for a day to reset the clock. he most likely source of inconvenience will be personal visa limits on duration of stay of the owners/crew [I suppose I'm scare mongering as well now :redface-new: ]

Ahhh but ‘unusually’ we have a dog so we ‘ can’t’ just sail back to the UK unless we go via Eire. We currently have an contract in France. We love it there and would love to keep our boat there BUT if it all goes ‘wrong’ we will bring our boat back to the UK post Brexit - the only problem is the dog!!!

 

[davethedog]

We are looking to head South from the UK mid this year and we also will be taking our dog with us, so we are looking at how to work around that. Bloody BREXIT!

 

[dslittle]

We are looking to head South from the UK mid this year and we also will be taking our dog with us, so we are looking at how to work around that. Bloody BREXIT!

Make sure that you take the dog to the vet for a blood test for rabies (it cost us an additional £125..). Apparently if there is a no deal Brexit out Pet Passport showing the rabies inoculation might not be good enough and we will need the result of the blood test to show that the rabies inoculation is still working!!! If the test does not confirm that the rabies inoculation is still working, the dog needs another course and then another test THREE months later so make sure that you do it in time.
Additionally, we have been told by our car insurers that we will need a Green Card which will only be valid for 90 days. After that time we will have to pay a silly amount to stay insured when out of the U.K....
Bloody BREXIT!!!

 

[greeny]

Bloody Brexit,
At the moment I only hear bad things about it. Causing problems for everyone I speak to.
When is the good news coming, if ever?

 

[davethedog]

Make sure that you take the dog to the vet for a blood test for rabies (it cost us an additional £125..). Apparently if there is a no deal Brexit out Pet Passport showing the rabies inoculation might not be good enough and we will need the result of the blood test to show that the rabies inoculation is still working!!! If the test does not confirm that the rabies inoculation is still working, the dog needs another course and then another test THREE months later so make sure that you do it in time.
Additionally, we have been told by our car insurers that we will need a Green Card which will only be valid for 90 days. After that time we will have to pay a silly amount to stay insured when out of the U.K....
Bloody BREXIT!!!

Thanks and we have started that process already as Franco has had his rabies injection a while ago and we are getting him ready for that option.

 

[sailorman]

Bloody Brexit,
At the moment I only hear bad things about it. Causing problems for everyone I speak to.
When is the good news coming, if ever?

The good news will start nxt week when Maybot gets its comeupence & the tory self centred party dissipaters into oblivion