Van der Valk 23M in build

[Imperial One]

Hi Yoeri,
Just a thought but would I have the same trouble with my Drums in a rough sea do you think?
Personally I too prefer the option of a helm seat (or two) especially on longer passages but as Yoeri says VDV build custom boats and the owner gets what the owner wants - even his piano and in my case drums
There are many interesting comments and observations on this thread, I do hope we all now fully understand LLL, questions will be asked at the end of term

 

[Yoeri]

Hi all,

Just a quick update from the 23M build project!

The interior is getting more and more shape
316 stainless steel safety railings and gunwales are being made and mounted at the moment.
The gunwale is bolted on to the bulwarks by usage of a mass-free silicone bed passage to isolate it from the aluminium.

Here are some pics:

Pre-stages of labelling all the cables

Masterstate

Cabinet in the masterstate

Masterstate, view on owner's bathroom (en suite)

Masterstate

Small detail

VIP's stateroom

VIP's bathroom

Crew quarters in the foremost

Detail

 

[MapisM]

Is that a cleat above the gunwale and under the rails? If so, I'm not sure to like such solution, TBH.
And the same goes for the fairlead right at the bow, also above the gunwale.

The steel finishing looks great, though.
Is that type of bonding durable? I would guess that the salt inevitably staying along the joints should take its toll on the alu paint, over time...?

 

[Yoeri]

Thanks for your reply MapisM!

The stainless steel gunwale is first fastened with bolts on to the bulwarks, under each pillar is a bolt construction. Between the gunwale and bulwark there is a sealant bed to isolate both.
Then the edges and crevices are then sealed (which is not yet done on this project) so that there can be no salt intervening.

I have attached a picture of how it looks like when it is finished:

The cleats are in between the gunwale and the railing. See picture:

I think you mean the fairlead in the middle of the bow, which is the anchor passage for this ship. In this case there will be one single 100kg Pool anchor attached to a MUIR VRC4000 winch. But of course double anchor pockets is also possible.

As you can see on the first picture there will be 2 fairleads, 1 on each side.

What solution would you prefer for the cleats MapisM?

Yoeri

 

[Nautorius]

Stunning quality of fitout. Wow, thanks for the update!

 

[MapisM]

What solution would you prefer for the cleats MapisM?

Well, judging by your latest pics, as I understand you are actually using also the solution which I prefer - nothing new under the sun, in this respect!
I'm talking of the hawsehole (or Panama lead, as I understand it can also be called) at deck level, with the cleat behind it.
Your following pic shows what I mean, though it's of another boat, as I understand?

Anyway, in my view the cleats between the gunwale and the railing are neither aesthetically nice, nor logical from a functional viewpoint.
The only reason I can think of for fitting cleats above the gunwales is that they might allow an unrestricted passage of the lines from above (as opposed to the hawsehole solution).
But the railings above the gunwales deny even that possible small advantage, therefore I'd definitely prefer - particularly on such big/heavy boat - some more substantial cleats at deck level, behind (or in the middle of) hawseholes. Which in turn would also allow for much sleeker gunwales.
But that's just IMHO, of course.

I think you mean the fairlead in the middle of the bow, which is the anchor passage for this ship.

Nope, the bow fairlead I was talking about is the small one right at the bow, above the gunwale, which is visible in the following pic.

If that is meant for the ground lines used in Med-style, stern-to mooring, well, I'm afraid it's not really fit for purpose - aside from being not aesthetically nice, as already mentioned for the cleats.
See, the bow lines passages must be very wide, because the lines used in the marinas for berths of this size are pretty big, and each bow line must go through its fairlead twice.
Besides, the cleat should be as near as possible to the fairlead, and its position should allow for a convenient use of the winch to pull the lines, if necessary.
And while I have to say that the teak finishing in the pic below looks indeed gorgeous , I can't see any of the above requirements met by the bow arrangement...

 

[Yoeri]

Well, judging by your latest pics, as I understand you are actually using also the solution which I prefer - nothing new under the sun, in this respect!
I'm talking of the hawsehole (or Panama lead, as I understand it can also be called) at deck level, with the cleat behind it.
Your following pic shows what I mean, though it's of another boat, as I understand?

Yep, true that's another one, but this 23M will have similar hawseholes at the stern.

Anyway, in my view the cleats between the gunwale and the railing are neither aesthetically nice, nor logical from a functional viewpoint.
The only reason I can think of for fitting cleats above the gunwales is that they might allow an unrestricted passage of the lines from above (as opposed to the hawsehole solution).
But the railings above the gunwales deny even that possible small advantage, therefore I'd definitely prefer - particularly on such big/heavy boat - some more substantial cleats at deck level, behind (or in the middle of) hawseholes. Which in turn would also allow for much sleeker gunwales.
But that's just IMHO, of course.

Good point! I understand that and perhaps this is something to seriously think about with the production dept. implementing these deck level cleats as standard.

Nope, the bow fairlead I was talking about is the small one right at the bow, above the gunwale, which is visible in the following pic.
If that is meant for the ground lines used in Med-style, stern-to mooring, well, I'm afraid it's not really fit for purpose - aside from being not aesthetically nice, as already mentioned for the cleats.
See, the bow lines passages must be very wide, because the lines used in the marinas for berths of this size are pretty big, and each bow line must go through its fairlead twice.
Besides, the cleat should be as near as possible to the fairlead, and its position should allow for a convenient use of the winch to pull the lines, if necessary.

Now I see! Sorry for misunderstanding! No, that one is not for the Med-style mooring lines. These ones are, but they were covered by some protection material in the build-pics.

And while I have to say that the teak finishing in the pic below looks indeed gorgeous , I can't see any of the above requirements met by the bow arrangement...

The misunderstanding was also the reason for putting this pic on.

BR
Yoeri

 

[MapisM]

No, that one is not for the Med-style mooring lines. These ones are, but they were covered by some protection material in the build-pics.

Aha, now I see, I didn't notice them in fact.
So, what's the purpose of the small bow fairlead above the gunwale?
I can only think of an anchor snubber, but couldn't it go through the same path of the chain?

 

[Yoeri]

Aha, now I see, I didn't notice them in fact.
So, what's the purpose of the small bow fairlead above the gunwale?
I can only think of an anchor snubber, but couldn't it go through the same path of the chain?

Hi MapisM,

The small fairlead at the bow is indeed hardly used...

Sometimes you have a situation when you are moored side by side with 3 boats. Should you be the 3rd and last boat and you want to have a rope/line to the shore, you can usually pass the 2nd ship (in terms of angle) by passing the line through this bow fairlead.

And perhaps for cases where only a single med-style mooring line is available it could be used.

Yoeri

 

[newWave]

Yoeri,
Is the 23m afloat in the meantime ?
Actually eagerly awaiting the next instalment on the build

 

[Imperial One]

Yoeri has just come back from showing a 23m at Cannes - so he may not have sen this post. I will chase him up for a reply.

 

[Yoeri]

Yoeri,
Is the 23m afloat in the meantime ?
Actually eagerly awaiting the next instalment on the build

Hey newWave, thank for catching up!
Just came back from Cannes Boat Show and prior to Cannes, Oslo Boat Show and Amsterdam Boat Show. Now another day at the office again!

Just ran through the 23M and took some pictures to show the current status!
I must be honest, the owner has decided that he will not use the ship this season as we experienced some delay regarding the hull-colour and some details regarding the style and finish of the interior (for instance, the bench in the wheelhouse is removed and there will be built something new there). So at the moment there is less "delivery pressure" than before, and given that the owner wants to consider some major details very carefully he has no hurry to sail.

At the moment the following major things have happened since the last post:

- Front and side windows have been installed
- The safety railing has been manufactured and installed
- The stainless steel entrance doors to the wheelhouse are now being installed (with a upwards moving part as well)
- 15mm thick teak decks have been laid all over the yachts main deck and flybridge deck
- Finalizing the main parts of the carpentry and ceilings
- Main installation of the engine room's parts and devices


Exterior

800kg capacity Hydraulic Opacmare swim platform


Interior

The owner has chosen for freestanding sofas and chairs

Ceiling detail Saloon/Galley from inside

Detail of the galley

Entrance doors to the wheelhouse, with (on the right side) a upwards movable part.

Detail of the cabinet on portside

Master state

Detail of the panelling

Detail of Mahogany flower in every corner of some panelling parts

VIP cabin on portside

VIP bathroom

"Office / Media corner" starboard side

Double room Guest starboard side

Ceiling detail

Next few seconds I will post the engine room.

Cheers for now!
Yoeri

 

[Yoeri]

Engine room

Overview

- Kabola KB75 B-Tap heater
- Marvair triple 3 phase TWC Chillers of 36.000 BTU each with airhandler in every single room/area

- Hydro pack
- Sea Recovery Aqua Matic 1800-2 284 lit per hour water maker
- Baudoin Osmose Treated Pure Water Filtered Wash system (no more drying is needed)

- 380V 32Ah Isolation transformer
- 230V 32Ah Isolation transformer
- 2x 10Ah Chargers

- Seakeeper M26000 Zero speed Gyroscope stabilizer
- Northern Lights 26 kW @ 50 Hz 1500 rpm Generator
- Northern Lights 5 kW @ 50 Hz 1500 rpm Generator

- Systems: 12V, 24V, 230V, 380V

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I must be honest, the owner has decided that he will not use the ship this season as we experienced some delay regarding the hull-colour and some details regarding the style and finish of the interior (for instance, the bench in the wheelhouse is removed and there will be built something new there). So at the moment there is less "delivery pressure" than before, and given that the owner wants to consider some major details very carefully he has no hurry to sail.

In other words, the owner has run out of money! Only joking! She's looking very nice but I'm surprised that the yard is willing to agree to a delay. Isn't the boat taking up valuable space in the workshop which could be used for another build?

 

[newWave]

Yoeri,

Thank you for the update, I was really very curious about the new superstructure and I must say it looks very good indeed.

As Deleted User said this 23m is taking up space and you recently had 3 new orders (34m, 23m and 20m) wil that be a problem?
I know there was a lot of protest for a builder to post a thread like this, but I do hope you will treat us to the in build of the 34m. To me the thread never turned into a marketing ploy, but others may differ, so I am all for you to continue the good work.

 

[Yoeri]

In other words, the owner has run out of money! Only joking! She's looking very nice but I'm surprised that the yard is willing to agree to a delay. Isn't the boat taking up valuable space in the workshop which could be used for another build?

Hi Mike,

Thanks!
Regarding the delay. You have a good point. In our case, because we only deliver a very select amount of individual ships per year (between 5 and 7 average) it is more easy to adjust our construction schedule to be able adapt to these kind of issues. But in this case it also has to do with the current building schedule, rather than the available space. In some cases when we would have full production at the carpentry department we would not be very happy with such a delay because it will also delay the other ships in production. In this case it worked out well in case of planning and we were able to manage it (the new 23 meter will move to the paint facility first and the 36m Trawler is still in the final design/architecture phase and I expect to start with the carpentry not until April 2014).

Yoeri,

Thank you for the update, I was really very curious about the new superstructure and I must say it looks very good indeed.

As Deleted User said this 23m is taking up space and you recently had 3 new orders (34m, 23m and 20m) wil that be a problem?
I know there was a lot of protest for a builder to post a thread like this, but I do hope you will treat us to the in build of the 34m. To me the thread never turned into a marketing ploy, but others may differ, so I am all for you to continue the good work.

Thanks newWave!! Will try to keep track on the building more frequently, because the break was long, haha!

 

[MapisM]

Engine room

Blimey, this gets my vote as the most spacious and comfortable e/r I've ever seen on any boat.
All others had some (usually two, but sometimes more, and at least one anyway) huge lumps of iron cluttering up the whole space!
I mean, isn't it more efficient to install them before the superstructure?

 

[Yoeri]

Hey MapisM,

Hahaha I regard that as a compliment!

Because the guys (both installation crew as electricity crew) work for weeks in this e/r area with several people at the same time we personally find it comfortable to build in the engines at the last moment. In this case the guys have plenty of space during the weeks they spend in the e/r and we put both 3 engines and the drives in, in just half a day. They come through the stern hatch.

Yoeri

 

[alt]

Hey MapisM,

Hahaha I regard that as a compliment!

Because the guys (both installation crew as electricity crew) work for weeks in this e/r area with several people at the same time we personally find it comfortable to build in the engines at the last moment. In this case the guys have plenty of space during the weeks they spend in the e/r and we put both 3 engines and the drives in, in just half a day. They come through the stern hatch.

Yoeri

Does this mean that the engines can be easily removed in future should there be a major issue? If so, this is a huge bonus as we've heard the horror stories of boats having ot be cut to remove engines

 

[Yoeri]

Does this mean that the engines can be easily removed in future should there be a major issue? If so, this is a huge bonus as we've heard the horror stories of boats having ot be cut to remove engines

Hi alt,

That's right! And yes, in those cases, it is a great relief and saves a lot of extra trouble!
Here is a picture of the stern hatch where I was talking about:

Yoeri