Update on Yachting Monthly and PBO

SimonFa said:
TL;DR so apologies if its already been said.
I understand why A Question of Seamanship came to an end
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I don't.

I have been sailing offshore since the Fastnet of 1979, when, at 13, I thought I was on the world's best rolla coasta. - I avidly picked up YM (from Y&Y) - how can YM now engage the next gen of people whilst retaining us old grumps?
The Question of Seamanship has always been an opportunity to see "is there a better way?" - Bring it back!

I also think an earlier point about content for newbie's is important even as a reminder for us "experienced yachts folk" - I had never tried springing off from my outboard quarter, until I read about it in one of those "how to berth/leave" articles for the beginner. It works great, esp with a folding prop that doesnt like changing from ahead to astern without a 5 second delay. Perhaps we could all learn a thing or two?

flaming referred to the Harbour guides, and someone else to a written, around Britain cruising guide, maybe a collection of different experiences relating to each area?

What do other pastimes do? - Why is Gardeners World so successful on TV? - Because it is seasonal - things to do this weekend by Monty Don. SO lets see more about a calendar, when things are about to happen - Equinox sailing, September fog, tips for a February cruise etc to prepare us.
 
Kelpie said:
To get edited and relevant highlights, plus additional commentary?
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These types of reports need to be read as a whole to understand the context of the incident being investigated. Having them edited then commented on is would be a complete waste of time and effort. OK I am required to read a great deal of this type of document for the day job and they take some time to unpick. Having somebody else's interpretation can be misleading as they can have a totally different view of the incident and its causes than me.
 
robertj said:
Pbo and YM I suspect will merge into an all encompassing magazine. It will have twice the content of a single title issue with further reduction in staff to make time more money. I suspect the catch for the reader will be a new 'special' price which will be more expensive but better value for money lol.
The new all encompassing good value magazine will start off well, but over a period of time be reduced to the thin content of their magazines now. What will we be left with then? Answer the new 'special' price!!
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As I said in my previous statement : PRACTICAL YACHTING MONTHLY. & .... it has to have Dave Selby in it.
 
SimonFa said:
I would like to see you maintain and even beef up the Sailing Skills section. I understand why A Question of Seamanship came to an end ...
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I think it came to an end because the author was running out of steam and simply could not think of any situations he hadn't done before. By the end there were repeats and the rest were almost all "on my trip round Brittany last summer should I have pressed on to A or played save and directed to B?"

That's not meant as a snippy criticism - I, too, enjoyed the feature, but I really don't blame the author for giving up.

Maybe it's one to crowdsource. Ask readers or forumites for situations where they had a tricky decision to make, ask a panel of experts for their recommendation and compared it with the decision made.
 
Genoa said:
flaming referred to the Harbour guides, and someone else to a written, around Britain cruising guide, maybe a collection of different experiences relating to each area?
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That's a book, or a lot of books, not a series of magazine articles. I'm not going to keep years' worth of YMs around just in case I visit somewhere and need out-of-date information about it.
 
Sandy said:
These types of reports need to be read as a whole to understand the context of the incident being investigated. Having them edited then commented on is would be a complete waste of time and effort.
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The MAIB clearly don't think so.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/648760/MAIBSD2-17.pdf

And neither does the AAIB, from whom I think the MAIB got the idea

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ent_data/file/618887/AAIB_Bulletin_7-2017.pdf
 
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Hi Elaine and everyone. Well that certainly explains the big shake up. I was sad to hear about David and Bens departure, I am sure they didn't have a say, they are very enthusiastic and young and we need that to keep the keen vibe going. The project boats have been a great idea.
Personally I have not enjoyed the slimming down of both YM or PBO and could be Interested in a combined approach. PBO has always held the magic for me as it talks real people's boats and problems, feels like a club. The vast majority of readers I would think are owners of fairly modest yachts of a certain age that necessitate good maintenance to keep things reliable and looking good. Old boats in plastic are very affordable and opening up possibilities for many- as long as they have the time/ patience and guidance to put the hours in. I have owned three quite old yachts a 1969 Arpege, 1971 C and N 38
And a 1983 Sigma 41. All looked awesome and took me far and never stopped entertaining my practical leanings.
I love reading about real experiences - the confessional and learning from experience always the first things to be read.
New and old boats being tested are great articles. Upgrading electronics will always keep us usefully informed. Stories of people selling up and sailing off are always fun. Chartering in far flung places with useful titbits and itineraries,inspire the dream machine in my head.
Whatever you do don't lose the- honest, man on the street aspect to the mags, it keeps us connected to something we are passionate about and will stay as such with a little encouragement here and there.
 
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According to Sky news it looks like a private equity outfit is about to close a deal to buy out the UK arm of Time inc.

The big question for the forum will be how the new owners choose to moderate, (if at all). I have stopped visiting the Lounge since the new moderation regime came into force. I miss the old place and very much regret the puritanical attitude introduced by Time inc.
 
Tomahawk said:
According to Sky news it looks like a private equity outfit is about to close a deal to buy out the UK arm of Time inc.

The big question for the forum will be how the new owners choose to moderate, (if at all). I have stopped visiting the Lounge since the new moderation regime came into force. I miss the old place and very much regret the puritanical attitude introduced by Time inc.
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Time have been running this place since 2001. The “new” moderating was introduced shortly after porn gate and had nothing to with “new” owners, as there were not any, more about social responsibility.

Moderation was needed as users were unable to self moderate.

Simple as that.
 
Spadge said:
Hi Elaine and everyone. Well that certainly explains the big shake up. I was sad to hear about David and Bens departure, I am sure they didn't have a say, they are very enthusiastic and young and we need that to keep the keen vibe going. The project boats have been a great idea.
Personally I have not enjoyed the slimming down of both YM or PBO and could be Interested in a combined approach. PBO has always held the magic for me as it talks real people's boats and problems, feels like a club. The vast majority of readers I would think are owners of fairly modest yachts of a certain age that necessitate good maintenance to keep things reliable and looking good. Old boats in plastic are very affordable and opening up possibilities for many- as long as they have the time/ patience and guidance to put the hours in. I have owned three quite old yachts a 1969 Arpege, 1971 C and N 38
And a 1983 Sigma 41. All looked awesome and took me far and never stopped entertaining my practical leanings.
I love reading about real experiences - the confessional and learning from experience always the first things to be read.
New and old boats being tested are great articles. Upgrading electronics will always keep us usefully informed. Stories of people selling up and sailing off are always fun. Chartering in far flung places with useful titbits and itineraries,inspire the dream machine in my head.
Whatever you do don't lose the- honest, man on the street aspect to the mags, it keeps us connected to something we are passionate about and will stay as such with a little encouragement here and there.
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Wish I had come up with that last para. - it captures the very essence of both magazines.

Thanks Spadge.
 
Tomahawk said:
The big question for the forum will be how the new owners choose to moderate, (if at all). I have stopped visiting the Lounge since the new moderation regime came into force. I miss the old place and very much regret the puritanical attitude introduced by Time inc.
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I can't see why any commercial organisation would tolerate the homophobic, xenophobic, racist cesspit which is The Lounge, and I don't see why we leisure sailors should tolerate the damage it does our image. The moderation policy there isn't remotely strong enough, and I hope new buyers grasp the nettle once and for all.
 
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