Seastoke
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We used to call Bruce an anchor , now we call an anchor Bruce mind he does hold tight to his wallet.
Ultra Anchor
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timbad
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Oh yes, another Anchor thread, thought it was about time ?
Thanks all, some interesting comments. When I came across the ultra-anchor, I could not see why the price sat where it was. Whilst I fully appreciate that stainless steel is more expensive (and looks great) but just looking at the price of the swivel made my eyes water.
I have friends who swear by the Rocna so just can’t see any justification for the Ultra unless im missing something.
I had not seen the video before so thanks ShaneAtSea for that, as hurricane mentions would be nice to see an updated version with modern type anchors.
As Deleted User states I typically put our 3:1 and if / when overnighting would look for nearer 5:1 as long as enough space around me.
I’ve not done too much overnighting but over the next few years hoping to do so with the use of one of the many apps out there for anchor watch.
@ Hurricane so true about motor boats v Yachts moving differently and have experienced it many times and remember well numerous times when tied to buoys watching how the two moved. I do like the “do you think you are too close” question will defiantly be using that.
One of my first jobs when I get to the new boat to me is to replace the nylon anchor bow roller its k put, measure the chain length, make sure its secured & then look to replace the standard delta with most probably a Rocna.
Thanks all, some interesting comments. When I came across the ultra-anchor, I could not see why the price sat where it was. Whilst I fully appreciate that stainless steel is more expensive (and looks great) but just looking at the price of the swivel made my eyes water.
I have friends who swear by the Rocna so just can’t see any justification for the Ultra unless im missing something.
I had not seen the video before so thanks ShaneAtSea for that, as hurricane mentions would be nice to see an updated version with modern type anchors.
As Deleted User states I typically put our 3:1 and if / when overnighting would look for nearer 5:1 as long as enough space around me.
I’ve not done too much overnighting but over the next few years hoping to do so with the use of one of the many apps out there for anchor watch.
@ Hurricane so true about motor boats v Yachts moving differently and have experienced it many times and remember well numerous times when tied to buoys watching how the two moved. I do like the “do you think you are too close” question will defiantly be using that.
One of my first jobs when I get to the new boat to me is to replace the nylon anchor bow roller its k put, measure the chain length, make sure its secured & then look to replace the standard delta with most probably a Rocna.
Bouba
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As I said earlier, if you are not in a hurry, keep an eye on the Epsilon. It’s by Lewmar, should fit most bow rollers (because they are also mostly made by Lewmar). It’s been given a extremely high holding rating by whoever does that kind of thing. Lewmar says it’s the best thing in the world (then again they probably said that about the Delta, the worst anchor in the world). But it will be cheap. You just need to wait for a few internet reviews
timbad
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No hurry Bouba so will wait for more info on the Epsilon
Bouba
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Have you seen the way Ultra test their anchor in a little sand box? It’s on the internet. They have a small sand box, and two miniature anchors with rode. A miniature Ultra and a miniature Rocna. And you are asked to pull both anchors. I’ve done the test myself. The Rocna just slides easily as you pull it, but the Ultra is really difficult to pull! Really hard. It just digs deeper and deeper, then if you change direction it buries itself even deeper!
Sure, I wanted one. And the boat show special then was a free swivel! But what do I tell the wife? My brand new Rocna wore out?
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Hurricane
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I think most of us have done that little test at chandlers and boat shows.Have you seen the way Ultra test their anchor in a little sand box? It’s on the internet. They have a small sand box, and two miniature anchors with rode. A miniature Ultra and a miniature Rocna. And you are asked to pull both anchors. I’ve done the test myself. The Rocna just slides easily as you pull it, but the Ultra is really difficult to pull! Really hard. It just digs deeper and deeper, then if you change direction it buries itself even deeper!
Sure, I wanted one. And the boat show special then was a free swivel! But what do I tell the wife? My brand new Rocna wore out?
Actually at the time, I couldn't see much different between any of those model anchors.
I think it is just a marketing ploy.
EDIT
Did you know that the 55kg Rocna that I have is £576 CHEAPER than that new 50kg (lighter) Epsilon anchor.
Prices for both checked on the Jimmy Green website - so like for like.
I know that weight isn't the only consideration but at those prices you would be paying more for a lighter anchor.
And as far as I'm concerned, the Rocna does work - if it didn't work (like the Delta - IMHO), that would be a different matter.
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JB
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Rocna (Rocna 55 in my case) are a fantastic anchor, they never fail to hold the boat even during heavy winds
Bouba
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I think (could be wrong) that the Epsilon will come out with the galvanized one later
Hurricane
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Bouba
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The 25kg was£505. More or less what my 25kg Rocna did
DREAMERTR
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This seems to be a good comparison between Ultra and Rocna.
Ultra Anchor vs. Rocna: Which is right for you? - Captain for the Weekend
Ultra Anchor vs. Rocna: Which is right for you? - Captain for the Weekend
MapisM
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Am I right in guessing from your avatar that you are talking of a 55 Kg anchor on a Nordhavn 43?
If so, I would bloody expect it to hold even if it were a brick, rather than a Rocna.
Below is the 45kg bit of kit that I used for 17 years in a 53' trawler weighing roughly as much as a N47, and never failed to hold the boat either.
Bouba
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We anchor in sandAm I right in guessing from your avatar that you are talking of a 55 Kg anchor on a Nordhavn 43?
If so, I would bloody expect it to hold even if it were a brick, rather than a Rocna.
Below is the 45kg bit of kit that I used for 17 years in a 53' trawler weighing roughly as much as a N47, and never failed to hold the boat either.
Hurricane
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Interesting comparison.
But it doesn't say much about the cost difference.
For me, an Ultra for my boat would cost more than two and a half times the price of my Rocna.
That said, I've just done some calcs for my boat.
I've had to select both using the manufacturers weight/length charts.
In my case, the Ultra would have to be 60 Kgs (the smaller 45Kg Ultra one wouldn't be big enough)
Whereas the 55Kg Rocna is about the correct size.
So I am comparing prices of a 60Kg Ultra against a 55Kg Rocna (The Rocna is £2740 less) - a little unfair.
BUT even comparing the price of next size up Rocna (70Kg) to the price of 60Kg Ultra there is STILL a significant difference.
The 70Kg Rocna being £1870 cheaper than the 60Kg Ultra
Unless you want a nice shiny anchor, this is a "no brainer".
As I say - there is only one thing worse than loosing an anchor on the bottom - and thats loosing and expensive anchor on the bottom.
Rappey
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The epsilon is lloyds approved !
£450 for 25kg.
£234 for 16kg. Bargain for a modern hybrid.
The ultra and epsilon look similar other than the epsilon has a weighted tip.
I think any of these modern anchors are good. It's just down to a personal choice.
The epsilon is the replacement for the delta as it fits the same bow roller as the delta.
The delta is very popular for the solent as it works well in mud.
Hurricane
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Interesting, I wonder why there is such a big jump in price between the Epsilon 40Kg and the Epsilon 50Kg
According to Jimmy green anyway.
That makes Bouba's price comments on the Epsilon correct for the under 50kg versions
Maybe Jimmy Green have the prices wrong.
MapisM
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So do we, preferably: see below the very same unsophisticated anchor, properly settled.
My previous point was just meant to say that anchor differences are often overrated, among pleasure boaters.
Only a hair below onboard instrumentation, which gets the cake for the most overrated bit of kit - but that's another matter.
At the end of the day, if you have something heavy enough and deploy enough chain, anything goes, in my experience.
JB
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Yes, it came with a 63KG delta anchor but have always had Rocna and we had a spare one lying around so we swapped them around...
sarabande1
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By any chance did you ever test the performance of the Delta against the Rocna in similar seabed/wind conditions?
Bouba
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I have, 18kg Delta and a 20kg Rocna. Same light winds, same anchorage, same spot, same boat, same load and same rode.
Conclusion: the Delta is a pile of crap and the Rocna is a good anchor,
