I don't know, but 1000 Marcs could bring the public sector to a standstill.
Uk borders agency - is this a record?
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Athene V30
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With the examples of piracy around the world would it have been reasonable for you to assume this to be an act of piracy and therefore consider your life in danger? If so a 'Mayday' call would be in order.
Searush
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They took a surprisingly long - and illegal - time (funded by us taxpayers) to come up with the fact that they can do as they damn well please, but we don't need to carry ID unless leaving UK.
I don't think it is unreasonable that they have these powers - just imagine having to get a magistrate to sign a search warrant while in pursuit of a supected felon! But the excessive use of their powers is clearly counter-productive, err, isn't it? Well, it is to me anyway.
I don't think it is unreasonable that they have these powers - just imagine having to get a magistrate to sign a search warrant while in pursuit of a supected felon! But the excessive use of their powers is clearly counter-productive, err, isn't it? Well, it is to me anyway.
David_Jersey
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Or maybe a "Securite" - all vessels to advised to avoid the area.........risk of gunfire................
Indeed, which is why this thread is wasted hot air.
Yachtsmen, the yachting press and the RYA should focus on holding the e-Borders agency to account by assessing its performance and practices. The objective should be to highlight cases of lazy practice such as stopping the same easy target 7 times a year in pursuit annual performance targets and bonuses.
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Twister_Ken
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Linguistically confused asks...
...I'm still trying to work out whether the spelling 'e-boarders' is ironic, Tyke or typo.
...I'm still trying to work out whether the spelling 'e-boarders' is ironic, Tyke or typo.
sailorman
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And besides, Blue Iguana is a very distinctive vessel - very different in appearance to a standard Benjenbav type AWB.
A policeman might not necessarily remember stopping every bog standard Mondeo (or whatever the most popular car is now in Britain), but probably would remember stopping a car that stands out from the crowd (Rolls Royce? A Van de Stadt 40 is probably less common than a Roller).
And surely their first move would be to tap in details into their wee lap top (assuming they have one on board?) and seeing if / when this vessel had been stopped before?
"Oh, we have already visited these folk 7 times so far this year, come on boys, lets go and chalk up our 8th visit now. Beware of the weapons of mass destruction that you will find on board in the young lad's cabin....... Good luck!"
Or maybe they have had a look at the construction photos of Blue Iguana on the Iguana's website, and they want to go and find out more - she certainly is a very fine vessel indeed, and a credit to her Builders.
i went aboard an Ali Caribbean 40 that was for sale in Holland. she was 14 yrs old & spotless.she is certainly a "Sailors" cruiser. the price tag out of my reach
dukes4monny
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We definately need more people like Marc who are prepared to stand up and ask these questions.
If it is a legal requirement for them to respond to these requests in a given time frame, who is responsible for starting the prosecution proceedings if / when they fail to meet their legal requirements?
Let's not get carried away here, the FOIA worked in a reasonable timeframe. If we abuse the system the end result will be higher taxes due to extra staff.
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This is a very worrying state of affairs! You are on a night passage in a busy seaway (Sunk TSS area), possibly tired and your night-vision has just been totally destroyed by the UKBA. What right do they have to act in such a reckless manner?
Anyone with any common sense knows that it takes at least 45 minutes to completely regain night vision after having a white light shone in your face! Coming alongside, inspecting your 'papers', boarding and making sure you are not smugglers or worse is one thing but what they did with that light is plain dangerous and merits a question to the UKBA as to their actions.
That is tantamount to total stupidity.
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WOW! Just noticed that both 'Skents' and 'Mudplugger' have the same type of yacht "Van de Stadt"
Obviously, the UKBA consider this type of yacht to be really, really suspect hence the boarding parties!
The UKBA must have silhouettes like the ones used during WW2 for identifying enemy aircraft.
For "Van de Stadt" silhouette read DRUG SMUGGLER!!
Obviously, the UKBA consider this type of yacht to be really, really suspect hence the boarding parties!
The UKBA must have silhouettes like the ones used during WW2 for identifying enemy aircraft.
For "Van de Stadt" silhouette read DRUG SMUGGLER!!
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asteven221
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Brilliant!
Searush
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They are such a sexy looking yacht, definitely designed as form follows function - and beauty flows behind.
So, Ferrari = dug dealer; ergo, Van de Stadt = drug smuggler. Not that they rely on such simple stereo types, I'm sure . . . .
Yet the last big drug haul I read about was from an old fishing boat. There seem to be plenty of career opportunities for redundant fishermen - Piracy, Drug smuggling, people trafficking . . . .
So, Ferrari = dug dealer; ergo, Van de Stadt = drug smuggler. Not that they rely on such simple stereo types, I'm sure . . . .
Yet the last big drug haul I read about was from an old fishing boat. There seem to be plenty of career opportunities for redundant fishermen - Piracy, Drug smuggling, people trafficking . . . .
sailaboutvic
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well we are wasting our time here best thing we all need to do is every time that action in a way that may endanger life or yacht is ..make a complain , and here is where you do it
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/contact/makingacomplaint/
well we are wasting our time here best thing we all need to do is every time that action in a way that may endanger life or yacht is ..make a complain , and here is where you do it
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/contact/makingacomplaint/
NPMR
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I think SEARUSH may have hit upon the reason for all the checks - simple bias against the boat/owners who may look - what shall we say? - "alternative" in their dress or manner. It strikes me that this is a form of selective policing that is absolutely forbidden by the land police; so why would it be acceptable at sea, especially when used on a boat flying a British ensign?
Sadly, it is still endemic on land so what chance of changing it at sea?
Sadly, it is still endemic on land so what chance of changing it at sea?
sailorman
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sent to UKBApublicenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk
Dear Sirs
there is a discussion relating to the boarding of UK yachts by your Department & the powers you have to do so.
A real problem is night time boarding with the use of high power lights
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219802
I would be pleased to hear your comments
Best Regards
Dear Sirs
there is a discussion relating to the boarding of UK yachts by your Department & the powers you have to do so.
A real problem is night time boarding with the use of high power lights
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219802
I would be pleased to hear your comments
Best Regards
sailorman
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wotayottie
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If they weren't, would they ever leave the office canteen?
NorthUp
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ColRegs No. 36:
If necessary to attract the attention of another vessel any vessel may make light or sound signals that cannot be mistaken for any signal authorized elsewhere in these Rules, or may direct the beam of her searchlight in the direction of the danger, in such a way as not to embarrass any vessel.
Who prosecutes?
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timbartlett
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The MCA. At least, they would if it was a private pleasure craft shining searchlights on a UKBA vessel.
But they won't, because civil servants don''t prosecute other civil servants.
Another interesting question is who would pay the fine -- the idiot responsible? or the taxpayers?
