Two bouts NTM Clyde

[scottie]

Just received a NTM via Fairlie Yacht Club regarding this fishing boat
NORTH OF GREAT CUMBRAE ISLAND – TEMPORARY EXCLUSION ZONE
Anyone know what’s it about?

 

[A1Sailor]

Does the NTM have a title only?
Is there no other explanatory text or a reference number?
Is "Two bouts" the name of a fishing boat?

 

[Kylora]

Brian Forrest, Senior Manager Marine Operations
Peel Ports Clydeport, Marine Department,
Greenock Ocean Terminal, Patrick Street, GREENOCK, PA16 8UU
Tel: 01475 726221 Fax: 01475 727006
Email: clydemarinemanagers@peelports.com
NTM:
Page:
Valid from:
Expiry Date:
93/18
1 of 1
20th December 2018
31st December 2018
NOTICE TO MARINERS
No 93/18
FIRTH OF CLYDE
NORTH OF GREAT CUMBRAE ISLAND – TEMPORARY EXCLUSION ZONE
Mariners are requested to observe a Temporary Exclusion Zone of 700m radius around fishing
vessel TWO BUOYS (9m LOA) currently in position:
55°49.056 N
004°53.952 W
(004°T Tormont End, Gt Cumbrae Island, 1.45nm)
The Temporary Exclusion Zone is in place until further notice. Mariners should monitor VHF
Channels 12 and 16 for updates.
Estuary Radio may also be contacted on VHF 12 or  0151 949 6651.

Ash

 

[Thistle]

Ash

Hmm! Picked up some old munitions, perhaps?

 

[Quandary]

Watched another incident this afternoon, Yeoman Bontrup, you know the big red bulk carrier that takes stone from Glensanda and had the big fire a few years ago off Morvern, was heading south down the Minch between Harris and Shiant Isles at a steady 12 kts. Stornaway CGs. chopper approached slowed down and then moved directly over her, was there for perhaps half an hour (though the AIS was giving her a speed about a knot or so faster), then took off and headed west, becoming stationary on the edge of Loch Claidh???, took off again and went about 150m. up the mountain where it became stationary for about 10 mins. there before heading back up the Minch, this after darkness had fallen.
Intrigued me but possibly just a ship co-operating in an exercise?
The photos of Bontrup on Marine Traffic reveal how big that fire had been, in Gdansk they removed and rebuilt all the superstructure, much of the deck and some of the aft part of the hull, I presume she got new engines and mechanicals as well.

 

[FulmarJeddo]

Watched another incident this afternoon, Yeoman Bontrup, you know the big red bulk carrier that takes stone from Glensanda and had the big fire a few years ago off Morvern, was heading south down the Minch between Harris and Shiant Isles at a steady 12 kts. Stornaway CGs. chopper approached slowed down and then moved directly over her, was there for perhaps half an hour (though the AIS was giving her a speed about a knot or so faster), then took off and headed west, becoming stationary on the edge of Loch Claidh???, took off again and went about 150m. up the mountain where it became stationary for about 10 mins. there before heading back up the Minch, this after darkness had fallen.
Intrigued me but possibly just a ship co-operating in an exercise?
The photos of Bontrup on Marine Traffic reveal how big that fire had been, in Gdansk they removed and rebuilt all the superstructure, much of the deck and some of the aft part of the hull, I presume she got new engines and mechanicals as well.

We regularly hear the CG helicopter call up ships in the Dover Straights asking for permission to hover over and possibly lower a man on to the deck. I guess regular training is normal to keep crews up to speed.

 

[Spyro]

We regularly hear the CG helicopter call up ships in the Dover Straights asking for permission to hover over and possibly lower a man on to the deck. I guess regular training is normal to keep crews up to speed.

I've been on the Arran ferry a couple of times when this has happened. The ferry continues on about 15knts. Impressive bit of flying

 

[scottie]

I've been on the Arran ferry a couple of times when this has happened. The ferry continues on about 15knts. Impressive bit of flying

Wonder if they tried that at the same time the trainee submarine drivers hid under the ferries?

 

[scottie]

Thanks for your replies maybe find out sometime

 

[Spyro]

Wonder if they tried that at the same time the trainee submarine drivers hid under the ferries?

With their past record on the Clyde I don't think that would be a great idea

 

[capnsensible]

With their past record on the Clyde I don't think that would be a great idea

What record is that?

 

[awol]

What record is that?

Antares, Drum and many other denials.

 

[capnsensible]

Antares, Drum and many other denials.

So Drum in 1988, Antares in 1990 and........ Or 28 years of safe operation.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Antares, Drum and many other denials.

Not sure that I've heard of that one, did John Peel ever play anything from it?

 

[scottie]

What record is that?

Drum whilst owned by Arnold Clark was struck by a periscope which the MOD denied despite part of the scope with serial numbers being broken off and subsequently recovered by Drums crew .
This was one of several instances of vessels being fouled by submarines in the West of Scotland

 

[capnsensible]

Drum whilst owned by Arnold Clark was struck by a periscope which the MOD denied despite part of the scope with serial numbers being broken off and subsequently recovered by Drums crew .
This was one of several instances of vessels being fouled by submarines in the West of Scotland

I wonder about how these things get so distorted sometimes.

HC Deb 21 July 1988 vol 137 c723W 723W
§Mr. Foulkes To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what were the exact circumstances, including time and location, of the collision between the Drum and HMS Otus; what damage was sustained by both vessels; what injuries were sustained by anyone involved; what kind of inquiry he has instituted into the incident; and if he will make a statement.
§Mr. Ian Stewart At 02.45 on 16 July 1988 a collision occurred about 7 nautical miles south of the Mull of Kintyre light between the masts of the submarine, HMS Otus, and the yacht Drum. HMS Otus surfaced immediately after the collision. Drum's outer skin was punctured and she also suffered some damage to her guard rails and rigging, hut she was able to continue her passage without assistance. HMS Otus's masts were damaged. No one was injured in the collision. A formal naval board of inquiry is currently under way.
Mr. O'Neill To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if the collision between HMS Otus and the yacht Drum occurred in lanes designated for naval use.
§Mr. Ian Stewart The collision occurred in a designated submarine exercise area which is marked as such on Admiralty charts.


So there you have it SM Otus surfaced straight away. There was no MOD denial and regarding serial numbers of a piece of periscope being recovered by Drums crew, la la land.

 

[moomba]

I wonder about how these things get so distorted sometimes.

HC Deb 21 July 1988 vol 137 c723W 723W
§Mr. Foulkes To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what were the exact circumstances, including time and location, of the collision between the Drum and HMS Otus; what damage was sustained by both vessels; what injuries were sustained by anyone involved; what kind of inquiry he has instituted into the incident; and if he will make a statement.
§Mr. Ian Stewart At 02.45 on 16 July 1988 a collision occurred about 7 nautical miles south of the Mull of Kintyre light between the masts of the submarine, HMS Otus, and the yacht Drum. HMS Otus surfaced immediately after the collision. Drum's outer skin was punctured and she also suffered some damage to her guard rails and rigging, hut she was able to continue her passage without assistance. HMS Otus's masts were damaged. No one was injured in the collision. A formal naval board of inquiry is currently under way.
Mr. O'Neill To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if the collision between HMS Otus and the yacht Drum occurred in lanes designated for naval use.
§Mr. Ian Stewart The collision occurred in a designated submarine exercise area which is marked as such on Admiralty charts.


So there you have it SM Otus surfaced straight away. There was no MOD denial and regarding serial numbers of a piece of periscope being recovered by Drums crew, la la land.

Russian hunter killer submarines are well know over the last 40 years to sit under freighters to hid from detection to maneuver around the Clyde estuary awaiting the SSBNS which are departing Faslane to follow them, common practice.
i bet these are not sticking to exercise areas.
Many unreported fishing vessels getting nets snacked and having to cut them free quickly or losing then completely


https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...aval-base-to-eavesdrop-on-nuclear-submarines/

 

[capnsensible]

British and Nato submarines operating in the area are mandated to surface and investigate any incidence of catching a FV trawl. Russians clearly arent and have been the culprits in any number of incidents.

Regarding that 'sitting under freighters', well I would disregard that if I were you.

 

[moomba]

British and Nato submarines operating in the area are mandated to surface and investigate any incidence of catching a FV trawl. Russians clearly arent and have been the culprits in any number of incidents.

Regarding that 'sitting under freighters', well I would disregard that if I were you.

Nope was standard practice in the cold war , British and USA killers would do the same up near Murmansk for the Northern Fleet, this allowed their acoustic signal to be distorted, also the Nato has listening stations on the sea bed from Iceland too Shetland and all down the Atlantic to detect the Russian SSBNs sailing into the Atlantic , so they would sit under freighters to hid their movements.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

..... Regarding that 'sitting under freighters', well I would disregard that if I were you.

I had one under my yacht in the FOC, way back in the late 1980s. There was an exercise going on with frigates and helicopters searching for the submarine, a lot of pings being heard through the GRP hull. We were off Aran's east coast, south of the Holy Island on passage to clear the bottom of Arran and head for the Mull of Kintyre. It was a sail training yacht and the only place that the crew were allowed to smoke was on the aft rail. Earlier in the day we had seen a small periscope, for want of a better term, pop up and down from time to time, this looked from a distance like thin rod with a tin can on top. A shout went up from the smokers and right behind us, 5 to 10 m, was a periscope, not the rod with tin can on top but a big tube, estimated about a foot or two in diameter, sort of dome top with bits and what was clearly a double lens, binocular style, behind a cover (if my memory is serving me well). I guess we were only doing a few knots, 5 at the most.

Off our port bow, down near Ailsa Craig there was a frigate that started whining as its stern dug in and it accelerated towards us at was was a colossal speed. The frigate passed ahead and turned a full 360 round us with the pings in the hull now quite loud. The frigate proceeded to search up and down a narrow corridor getting further away from us. About 30 minutes later yellow smoke appeared on the surface in the direction that the frigate had originally come from and a helicopter headed over the smoke and lowered, I assume, a sonar device into the water.

The 1980s were fascinating in the Clyde area, always lots going on, with many boats sailing up and the Clyde. About an hour after the start of a feeder race for the Tomatin Series (as it was then), in light airs, the fleet was spread about but still clustered, a diesel submarine turned up and proceeded to weave its way through the fleet. Today, you don't see much, the occasional boomer, the Yanks are gone, the Hunter Killers I think have moved south and the diesel submarines are probably all scrapped now.