steve yates
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For a ketch. Anyone ever had one ? Any tips, do's or don'ts for mast raising time?
thx
thx
Triassic rig
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VicS
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Triassic ? Something to do with dinosaurs ?
Perhaps you mean triatic ? Still cannot help, sorry.
This appers to be how you rig it
Perhaps you mean triatic ? Still cannot help, sorry.
This appers to be how you rig it
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Quandary
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Steve
Had a look this morning, on the back of the mainmast head there are two stays, the heavy one seems to be a conventional backstay while the lighter wire must be the the triatic. At the top of the mizzen mast there is an eye with an 8mm. rope terminating in an inglefield clip which I presume is for tensioning the triatic from deck level. The only puzzling thing is the eye is on the side of the masthead rather than in front so the force it applies to the mizzen mast will be a little off straight. I am reluctant to take the masts out from under the hull as the yard is fairly bunged just now but if the stay is extended to deck level it should not be necessary to climb the mast to set it up. The aft loads on the mizzen should not be great, probably no more than on a running backstay so the triatics main purpose is probably to keep the mizzen vertical. I noticed that there is a vhf antenna at the top of both masts?
The sun is out so I might go down and have another look, I will take the cable ties off so that it should be possible to have a better look at the standing and running rigging.
Pumped another bucketful out of the bottom of the fuel tank, no water in it but plenty of black bits, let it settle and put the clean stuff back, tank is half full, tried dragging a magnet around the bottom, it brought out some black crud but not as much as I had hoped, banned from the kitchen again because I smell of diesel. The rig is a more attractive task.
Had a look this morning, on the back of the mainmast head there are two stays, the heavy one seems to be a conventional backstay while the lighter wire must be the the triatic. At the top of the mizzen mast there is an eye with an 8mm. rope terminating in an inglefield clip which I presume is for tensioning the triatic from deck level. The only puzzling thing is the eye is on the side of the masthead rather than in front so the force it applies to the mizzen mast will be a little off straight. I am reluctant to take the masts out from under the hull as the yard is fairly bunged just now but if the stay is extended to deck level it should not be necessary to climb the mast to set it up. The aft loads on the mizzen should not be great, probably no more than on a running backstay so the triatics main purpose is probably to keep the mizzen vertical. I noticed that there is a vhf antenna at the top of both masts?
The sun is out so I might go down and have another look, I will take the cable ties off so that it should be possible to have a better look at the standing and running rigging.
Pumped another bucketful out of the bottom of the fuel tank, no water in it but plenty of black bits, let it settle and put the clean stuff back, tank is half full, tried dragging a magnet around the bottom, it brought out some black crud but not as much as I had hoped, banned from the kitchen again because I smell of diesel. The rig is a more attractive task.
ghostlymoron
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Most ketches seem to be rigged with the masts independently stayed. My friend's MacWester did however have a triatic stay between the two masts. It ran through a block at the top of the mizzen and was cleated off at deck level so it was not necessary to climb either mast when stepping them - not that this was done to my knowledge.
The triatic didn't seem to serve any purpose and was fairly slack.
The triatic didn't seem to serve any purpose and was fairly slack.
Quandary
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I think that is the way this is, but the yard is too busy to find room get the rig out from under the boat just now, I am also hoping to find where the anchorage point is for the mainmast backstay, I presume it is somewhere on the mizzen mast step rather on the mizzen mast itself, but so far it is not obvious.
It will all become clear when we get it up ????
VicS
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Sailed a W31 ketch a few times but a good few years ago so details a bit vague. I know the sloop version much better.
IIRC the mainmast has a divided back stay with anchor points on the side decks well aft of the sheet winches.
The mizzen shroud anchor points are on the side decks just forward of the winches ??
Both maybe on the coaming on early versions ?
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Vegable
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VicS dead right. If you look at the Westerly Wiki for the Pentland there's a very good picture of a side view of the Pentland and you can work out where the shrouds are mounted by expanding the picture.
On my Renown, the main mast backstay and the mizen mast backstay both went to the same plate mounted on the side of the aft cabin. However on the picture below it looks a bit different.
http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/westerlywiki/index.php?title=Pentland
Not sure what a triatic stay is so can't help with tnis. My Renown didn't have one coz if it had one I'd know what it was! I had her for 16 years!
Mike
On my Renown, the main mast backstay and the mizen mast backstay both went to the same plate mounted on the side of the aft cabin. However on the picture below it looks a bit different.
http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/westerlywiki/index.php?title=Pentland
Not sure what a triatic stay is so can't help with tnis. My Renown didn't have one coz if it had one I'd know what it was! I had her for 16 years!
Mike
VicS
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Its the wire that runs from the top of one mast to the top of the other.
I suspect, now confirmed, not fitted to all versions, maybe not to later ones ??? I think the one I sailed had one but it was fairly early one
steve yates
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Ah! Thanks VicS. I always assumed that wire was for raising and lowering the mizen mast once the main mast was errected. The base fitting of the mizen mast looks very like a hinge.
Mike.
KellysEye
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A triatic stay runs from just under the top on the main mast to just under the top of the mizzen mast ours was held by Stalok fittings as was all the rigging.
