Trailer sailer: what's a sensible compromise?

Here's my thoughts.

I bought my boat, a Frolic 18 (don't bother looking it up, as rare as hens teeth) complete with outboard motor and on it's trailer for under £2K To be fair the trailer was in a bit of a state, and two of it's 4 wheels needed new bearings and tyres and it needed a good tidy up, but it's basically sound.

We bought the boat not knowing how or where we were going to sail her, and initially thought of trailer sailing.

The year we bought her (in September) I found a harbour berth for a few weeks launched the boat, kept her in for 3 weeks and did a bit of sailing.

It takes us about an hour to raise the mast and rig the boat before launch. It definitely needs two to raise or lower the mast, though that could be reduced to one with some extra equipment like an A frame or Gin pole.

Launching is easy. You would need a VERY steep slipway to avoid immersing the car if you keep the trailer rigidly coupled to the car. So back down the slip until the car is nearly in the water, uncouple, and winch the trailer down the rest of the way until the boat floats off.

Recovering is MUCH harder. if there's ANY cross current, it will be hard keeping the boat lined up to float it onto the trailer and end up in the right place, but it is possible. A couple of helpers on the shore with long lines will help tremendously, as will a really nice slipway completely sheltered with adjacent pontoon.

In the end we opted to keep the boat afloat all season. Up here my seasons berth in the harbour costs less than your target £35 per month.

And we compromise now, launch from the slip, but use the clubs crane out for recovery.

As regards towcars, you are not talking about a heavy boat, so you don't need a monster. 4WD is a good choice, not because you need a monster, but it's handy to have low ratio gears for reversing, and it's handy to have 4WD for a bit of confidence hauling a boat up a slimy slippery slipway. I tow with a Subaru Forrester, but there are plenty of similar sized small 4WD's that will do an equally good job.

Our boat is a lift keel, but when looking we were looking for either lift keel or bilge keel. You will need an extra foot or two of water for launching a bilge keeler, but a I have said already, you will be uncoupling the trailer, so it makes no difference (other than a longer winch strop to wind it further down the slipway) and it might affect the tidal range that a particular slipway is useable.

Lift keel boats have certain maintenance issues, and many will quite rightly point out it's often impossible to lower the keel while the boat is on the trailer. I'm part way through modifying my own trailer to allow the keel to be lowered on the trailer for inspection, maintenance and anti fouling. Don't forget that the mechanism for raising and lowering the keel will require regular maintenance. There appear to be as many different ways of implementing a lifting keel as there are lifting keel boats.

All you can do is go and look at boats, and choose one that suits your needs.
 
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Recovering is MUCH harder. if there's ANY cross current, it will be hard keeping the boat lined up to float it onto the trailer and end up in the right place, but it is possible. A couple of helpers on the shore with long lines will help tremendously, as will a really nice slipway completely sheltered with adjacent pontoon.

Id suggest good docking arms on the trailer to position the boat if there is any cross tide or wind. Also some means of getting the fore and aft position correct. Don't forget to allow for the gradient of the slipway when positioning the boat as you haul out.

Rember also the effects of salt water on trailer wheel bearings, braking systems and the rest of the trailer generally.
 
The budget you have is rather low for the facilities needed,towing vehicle and suitable trailer,however if you are not looking for a 25 footer there are some smaller options to recommend. These are: Leisure 17;Caprice 18;Silhouett;Sailfish 17; Swift 18 - the latter probably the dearest, about £2K+ ,all the others under £2K, but not necessarily including an outboard or trailer. I think that they mostly have a tabernacle for raising/lowering the mast that takes a bit of worry away when rigging/derigging singlehanded.
None are fast boats but safe and many of us started sailing these in our youth as the 'bridge' to bigger and better boats or converting from dinghies.
Insurance will be cheap, but they may need some initial TLC as they are early 70-80's models.
Your profile doesn't give your location, but at our sailing club we have storage facilities for overwintering and for launching at either our own slipway or the public hard, the latter at about 1/4 tide and free, both within 50 yards of the boat storage.
Rigging can be retained when stored here or launching, giving about another hour of sailing.

Most of our trailed boats are launched using a vehicle without the vehicle being immersed, just watch the regulars do it, however wheel bearings on the trailer need to be well maintained during the season and packed with quality grease.

All the above will be OK with a 2 stroke outboard (long-shaft) of 5HP or more, even the Seagull is worth a try to start with,a Silver Century with gear shift should do the job cheaply.

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Recovery is hard, but it gets easier each time you do it. My last recovery at Bucklers Hard was done singlehanded. You need to get the trailer depth right, have slack water, and be quick. It's all in the planning. ;)
 
Our first boat was a Leisure 17, a bilge keeler, but actually, easier to launch and recover than our second boat, an Evolution 22 (a lift keeler). The nice thing about the bilge keeler is that you don't have to worry so much about rocks on the bottom if you're drying out, and you don't have to remember to pull the log impeller out before taking the ground. If you're going to be in the water for any length of time, scrubbing the bottom of a lift-keeler can be a real palaver too. I certainly wouldn't rule out a bilge keeler just because it's a bilge keeler.

I think the 4x4 is a good idea if you're going to be launching and recovering "off the beaten track". We launched and recoverd the Leisure with an ordinary 2WD car, but when we got an old Series 3 Landrover, it was just SO much easier. We made a long tow hitch extension pole and fitted a front towball.
 
A 4x4 is all but essential as the low ratio box and 4 wheel drive will avoid any awful outcomes.
Anything bigger than 20' is over optimistic. They are heavy, difficult to rig quickly and not a very pleasurable weekend away.
The obvious one which no one has mentioned is the Seahawk 17. I had one and trailer-sailed it for a bit before putting it on a mooring. Lots have a tabernacle mast step, but even with the pivot bolt are a one-handed job.
I could be in the water 40 minutes after arriving at the slip.
A good little sailer, stable and difficult to knock-down they have a 2 or 4 berth cabin (for midgets), but a decent sized cockpit. They only weigh about 1200Kgs all-up, including the trailer.
It's just a question of finding one.








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I think your plan is doable.

I enjoyed 2 years of trailor sailing with a Jaguar 22 towed by a Citroen CX 2.0. Did the Solent a cross channel, the Hebrides and the Adriatic plus weekends. OK I was a teacher good hols.

My comments

The Jaguar 22 or similar is loads better than a 18 footer but any boat is better than no boat.

I could JUST raise the mast myself but it was always a little worrying but arrange the steadying ropes and there was always someone around to help for the 30 seconds it took.

Be organised with a checklist and keep the stuff you need to launch in one bag and the boat bits in another. 90 minutes to launch or recover. Was it worth it for a weekend sure be ready to leave after work on Friday and I would be tucked up in a quiet anchorage on Rutland Water that evening or ready to launch first thing Sat further afield.



Camped in the boat in car parks on long trips.

Fit side guides to the trailor to centralise the boat on recovery.

Kept the car on the level and used a rope around the towball to launch then tied it off to recover. Too many pics of cars sliding into the water.

I had a two wheel trailer, 4 wheels are better but the Citroen towed it well. A 4 x 4 is not essential. Even a Transit would do.
 
We did two and half seasons with a Gem Micro 18 2002 - 2004
We had great fun and wish we had done a few more seasons before moving on.

My thoughts are ....

1. There are "trailer sailers" (take it away for the weekend) and "trailable sailers" (take it home for the winter) .... make sure you choose the right one for your needs.

2. Any doubts about the trailer are mega stressfull. This should be your initial focus when choosing a boat. There are many opinions about 2 and 4 wheels (I have had both and prefere 2 wheels)

3. Don't push your luck on size / weight. The Gem Micro was 550Kg ... probably more like 1000Kg all up. In theory, well within the capability our Audi A4 TDi. In practice, I wouldn't have wanted anything heavier to man handle, launch and tow between SWMBO and I.

4. Use shallow slipways with no current (or at slack water) Use a long rope to launch and recover. No need to submerge your tow vehicle.

6. The GEM's 8 metre mast was a challenge to get up and down ..... and would have been challenge to transport on the back of a high/flat backed 4x4

7. The sweat/credit ratio didn't add up for a weekend. Long weekends were ideal. A week or more with the two of us + baby was tough too!

One last consideration .... check out the cost of insurance, they tend to be more expensive than a regular yacht for obvious reasons!
 
I think your plan is doable.

I enjoyed 2 years of trailor sailing with a Jaguar 22 towed by a Citroen CX 2.0.

I had a two wheel trailer, 4 wheels are better but the Citroen towed it well. A 4 x 4 is not essential. Even a Transit would do.
Not essential but a whole load safer. You could launch on a calm day with a dry slip and no chop. But when you come to recover, it could be blowing up with rain and wave action at the slip.
Then your two wheel drive may struggle.

(CX couldn't legally tow a Jaguar 22 now)

I took some shots of somebody recovering a Shrimper at Ferry Nab (very good concrete/tarmac slip) in dry weather. He cooked his clutch. (No low ratio) The Peugeot 807 is capable of towing the Shrimper legally (1800kg towing weight. Shrimper 1100Kg plus trailer and gear) but recovery with front wheel drive and a steep or rough slip would be a nightmare.

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I like this thread and if Reptile doesn't mind, I'd like to jump in with a couple of questions of my own.

I'm considering a very similar plan on a very similar budget (perhaps £3,000 with trailer) but with a view to the first year being limited to Rutland Water (I live in Rutland) just so that I can get more practical sailing experience. Getting too old to be clambering around in a dinghy and really don't fancy swimming every weekend! Looking to go further afield next year.

At the moment a Seal 22 (likely to be a MK1 at the price) is top of my list and I already have the 4x4. What are the downsides of the Seal and is there something better at that sort of age/price range?
 
Thre are no real down sides to the Seal 22,though I personally would prefer the outboard to be mounted on the transom quarter on a lifting bracket to prevent the fumes from the motor remaining within the boat,also there is little room for pivoting the engine so that drag is induced when in a well;pivoting on the stern lifts it clear of the water with no drag.
The Seal 22 sails very well and is a particularly good performer if racing,; I've had 7 knots showing when the cruising chute is rigged in f2+. I am less happy walking on the cabin top to rig, but purely a matter of leading halyards aft, most reefing(slab) can be done easily from the cockpit in the same way. Accommodation is OK for a friendly weekend or so, but of course no full headroom. She sails just as fast reefed and gives early indications to do so on the helm.
Buying, I would check the transom fittings for the rudder and if possible the lowering cable gear for the drop keel, perhaps renew it for absolute peace of mind.
A friend's Seal sold for £3450 including the trailer(4 wheel) that was a fair price with good sails.
If the lifting bracket is fitted to the transom then the well could be glassed in and give a little more stowage for mooring warps,or light gear,but keep the ends of the boat light.


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I personally would prefer the outboard to be mounted on the transom quarter on a lifting bracket to prevent the fumes from the motor remaining within the boat,also there is little room for pivoting the engine so that drag is induced when in a well;pivoting on the stern lifts it clear of the water with no drag.

Which just goes to show that when you ask questions about boats everyone has a different opinion. I used to have a boat with a transom hung motor and now much prefer having one in a well. Hanging over the back to change a spark plug was very stressful :D
 
Many thanks for the swift response. The outboard will have to come off while the boat is on Rutland anyway (not permitted).

What's the issue with walking on the cabin top to rig? Is it a weakness or just tight for space when underway?
 
Which just goes to show that when you ask questions about boats everyone has a different opinion. I used to have a boat with a transom hung motor and now much prefer having one in a well. Hanging over the back to change a spark plug was very stressful :D

Mmm, but twenty foot is a small boat - I would not want to lose the space that goes with a well.
 
Yes the walking on the cabin top.I am used to having side decks that I can walk along on my own boat and seldom need to walk on the roof of the cabin. The caibn top is lightly built on the Seal but adequate,but means bending down to adjust the sliding gooseneck,raise the sails and secure the halyards on a rather dinghy like hull with no ballast as such. However as I said before all the controlling lines can be diverted aft - if you want to. It is a small deck for hoisting a spinnaker rigging the pole and a good reason for a cruising chute as opposed to a spinnaker-no need to go forward at all when dowsing it and no pole to fit or detach.
As a first time 'yacht' she is a good choice and good value. As an ex-dinghy sailor you would enjoy her I'm sure.

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The big thing to make sure is that your tow vehicle is man enough to legally tow the boat. Not all 4X4s can tow big loads. My mate runs a discovery and used to tow my Maxi 77 for me and his own F27, both quite big boats, which would have been way too much for many other 4X4s some of which can tow no more than a car, though the 4X4 bit may help on the slipways.

A dry suit is good for recovery and launch

It is always a laugh to watch those who do not have a decent pennant for launch and recovery trying to get the boat in or out without dunking the car.

The budget is possible but you will always be keeping your fingers crossed that something expensive doesnt happen, but that feeling is always more liveable with when you have a boat and are sailing

One thing about trailer sailing is you can have more chance of building up a rainy day fund than if you are paying for marina/mooring

The risky bit in my view is the 4X4 a landy can tow almost anything but very expensive if they go wrong.

Go for it especially if you are good at fixing things
 
According to the Parker/Seal website, the displacement is 2400lb (1,100kg). What's the 'all up' weight likely to be including trailer?
I drive a Peugeot 4007 (same as Mitsubishi Outlander but with a 2.2HDi engine) BTW.
 
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So you have a Maximum Towing Weight of 2000Kg.

Trailers are usually 250/350Kg depending on construction. You would probably be within the weight limit, even with outboard, sails, gear etc.
Does that car have a low ratio box (or is it automatic)? Otherwise you'll need to be wary of giving loads of revs and clutch on slipways.

If you are looking at a boat that's out of the water, on it's trailer, perhaps a visit to the nearest weighbridge?
 
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