Storyline
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I think that is called character building.
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Tohatsu MFS9.8A3 UL 9.8HP 4STR UL (£2,141.41p) in westerly centaur with dead engine
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dylanwinter
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publicity for what?
every bloke on here knows about KTL already and the vast majority have decided that it is a bucket of nonsense and not worth buying the DVds or watching the films
do you really think I am sailing around the UK for money?
and
please don't call me a troll
it is really rather offensive
Dylan
Twister_Ken
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Once met a Frenchman who sailed his Wayfarer across to the Orkneys from somewhere up north and spent a fortnight dinghy camping round the islands. Mind you, he was ever so slightly bonkers.
prv
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AngusMcDoon
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I think your current boat is a lot more capable than you make out. I would have no qualms sailing it around the top. I have sailed in those waters in a 22' boat and there were no problems. It's not that bad up there. The number of unsailable days in a month in summer may be 8 instead of 4 as in the nesh part of the country, but that still gives lots of opportunity for progress. Occasionally you get just a completely dismal week where you are truly stuck and can't go anywhere, but that happens in other places too. Perhaps get a cockpit tent for your current boat instead. It would add to its value and make it more sellable rather than less.
TSB240
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With regards to Item 1
I have only had one occasion when the sea has come back up our well...
I was sailing very fast in excess of 8 knots in our boat with too much sail up and ended up surfing down a standing wave in excess of 11 knots and despite the prop freewheeling it created sufficient drag for a jet of water to be forced up the well. This lead to some concern as the cockpit filled up to just below welly top height in a very short period! I should have removed the OB and put the plug in the well! I had to start the engine to empty the cockpit
I wouldn't expect a Centaur to do the same but I think you should consider how to lift and plug your well as sailing and filming without a gurgling jacuzzi in the cockpit is much more pleasurable and quicker. The drag from a high thrust 4 bladed prop knocks at least a knot off our sailing speed on average.
The four bladed prop is an essential piece of kit for a heavier boat our 24 footer probably weighing in at about 2 tonnes fully loaded.
http://www.getaprop.com/content-pro...68/solas_high_thrust_4_propeller_mercury.html
rogerball0
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Dylan, i sent measurements across this morning but haven't heard anything so just in case the centre of shaft to underside of cockpit floor is 575mm and waterline to cockpit floor on mine is around 100mm these may vary depending on trim / weight distribution of each boat.
cheers rog
cheers rog
JumbleDuck
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As I said before, not everyone wants a motorsailer. My 1GM10 will move me at 5.5kt flat out and at 4kt into a 20kt headwind. That's fine by me.
JumbleDuck
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That won't be a problem. Centaurs use the same under-handle single speed Gibb winches as all the small Westerly yachts. They are very simple and very robust, and the only spare parts he is ever likely to need - pawls and springs - can be substituted with Harken ones. Some people do replace them, which means there is a slow but steady trickle of second hand ones on eBay - I picked up a good spare for fifteen quid.
josephmoore
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Interesting info, thanks JumbleDuck. I need to replace the original tufnol jobbies on my boat at some point so a cheap set of serviceable Gibbs might be just the ticket. Under-handle ones would be ideal as there's not much room between the winch and the stanchion post.
JumbleDuck
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If I were doing it I would go the whole hog. Take off the skeg and rudder, fit a new transom-hung rudder and put the outboard well in the stern locker. Sorted.
mrming
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I noticed Dylan has asked the same question over at Sailing Anarchy:
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=152254
It's interesting to note how different the reaction is to this topic on the other forum.
Some observations:
It seems it's more common in the states to have a larger boat with an outboard in a well.
They don't find the idea of chopping up an old GRP boat quite so sacrilegious.
The posters are offering help with the question as asked, rather than advising him to do something else.
The question has only generated 19 responses over there versus hundreds of pages here.
Is this cultural difference or is this place just full of people who worship the Centaur?
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=152254
It's interesting to note how different the reaction is to this topic on the other forum.
Some observations:
It seems it's more common in the states to have a larger boat with an outboard in a well.
They don't find the idea of chopping up an old GRP boat quite so sacrilegious.
The posters are offering help with the question as asked, rather than advising him to do something else.
The question has only generated 19 responses over there versus hundreds of pages here.
Is this cultural difference or is this place just full of people who worship the Centaur?
Tranona
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Then one of the 1GMs suggested here, just like yours is vastly superior to any outboard - and cheaper (unless dylan is getting his engine really, really cheap). As I have said many times, it is not the hp that counts, but what you do with it - and for 20 years I also had a 1GM in a boat similar size and weight to a Centaur. It got just over 5.5 knots in flat calm and cruised at 4.5. The secret is a big reduction ratio and a big (15") prop. What is more it was 100% reliable and my only significant expense was repairing the damage from a leaky water pump (my fault) and that was around £250. Other than that, only filters and anodes in 20 years. sold it for £1200 and it is now running perfectly in a GK 24 and my heavy old boat has a new Nanni 14.
So, it is not just a question of speed, it is that I don't believe this myth dylan has constructed about the lack of reliability and expense of an inboard, nor the perceived advantages of an outboard on performance, reliability or convenience. Just the wrong engine for the type of boat and for his proposed usage.
Storyline
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Our cousins have other strange behaviours such as the use of all rope anchor rodes.
Nicholas123
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Publicity for what? A writing career & a number of other spin off's that look like they are generating money Dylan.As you have gone along it seems to have become more & more commercialized & some of these threads look frankly balmy.Who considers binning a diesel engine before they have even got a boat,one that may have a perfectly reasonable diesel engine all ready in it?
It does look to me that you are engaging in contentious issues just to generate publicity.Troll seems to fit that description on the basis that any publicity is good publicity.I am sorry if I have offended you because I have enjoyed your films.
AngusMcDoon
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dylanwinter
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thank you for your input
I will not be buying a boat with a perfectly good diesel engine in it
I am after one with a jiggered engine
May I say that I am astonished that attempting to find a way of saving an oldboat from moldering away in the back of a yard should be considered contentious
I was out walking the dog in the rain and imagining what it would be like sitting down below in Katie L with my six foot three son for a week or more up against a wall in a Scottish harbour waiting for the weather to break and wondered if there was another way
This is the furthest I have been from my boat... ever
I am contemplating a winter without a boat to sail - or a project
I have sailed the socks off the duck punt on the local waters
I came home, looked at Centaurs on the web, looked at outboard dimensions and started posting questions on the web
I expected a couple of people who know about outboards to respond
along with all the extremely useful suggestions I stand accused of being
a troll
mad
a liar
not a sailor
and now balmy (alternative spellings and meanings are available - but I prefer this one)
what is it with some of you guys?
what is it about the idea of saving an old boat from a slow lingering death followed by an encounter with a JCB and a rubbish skip that you seem to find so evil?
any boat I buy will already be on death row
D
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Breizh
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Hi Dylan,
Yes it has become quite contentious at this stage hasn't it? I think the reason why people may be upset, or not, about the whole thing is basically down to one of the following reasons:
1. They are looking through their own eyes as if they are the ones whom have to complete the task in hand.
2. Actually know that it's not a good idea & don't wish you to fail, they actually like you.
3. Think it's a good idea & would like you to give it a go, so that they may try it out themselves if it works.
4. They are a part of the 80% whom don't like change.
5. Would love to help you & be a part of the project.
6. Begrudge your very being & want you to fail.
Which when normalized becomes:
1. Supporters whom are just happy to help out & share their experience & knowledge
2. Begrudgers whom won't be happy until you fail
3. On the fence and enjoying the whole show
Me, I wouldn't do it personally, but happy to assist you in any way as it sounds like an interesting solution, albeit a little excessive.
So the bottom line is, as you're set on the idea and want to try it anyway, then go for it. They'll always be begrudgers, but more importantly, there will also be plenty of people whom want you to succeed.
Breizh
Yes it has become quite contentious at this stage hasn't it? I think the reason why people may be upset, or not, about the whole thing is basically down to one of the following reasons:
1. They are looking through their own eyes as if they are the ones whom have to complete the task in hand.
2. Actually know that it's not a good idea & don't wish you to fail, they actually like you.
3. Think it's a good idea & would like you to give it a go, so that they may try it out themselves if it works.
4. They are a part of the 80% whom don't like change.
5. Would love to help you & be a part of the project.
6. Begrudge your very being & want you to fail.
Which when normalized becomes:
1. Supporters whom are just happy to help out & share their experience & knowledge
2. Begrudgers whom won't be happy until you fail
3. On the fence and enjoying the whole show
Me, I wouldn't do it personally, but happy to assist you in any way as it sounds like an interesting solution, albeit a little excessive.
So the bottom line is, as you're set on the idea and want to try it anyway, then go for it. They'll always be begrudgers, but more importantly, there will also be plenty of people whom want you to succeed.
Breizh
dylanwinter
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Hi Dylan,
Yes it has become quite contentious at this stage hasn't it? I think the reason why people may be upset, or not, about the whole thing is basically down to one of the following reasons:
1. They are looking through their own eyes as if they are the ones whom have to complete the task in hand.
2. Actually know that it's not a good idea & don't wish you to fail, they actually like you.
3. Think it's a good idea & would like you to give it a go, so that they may try it out themselves if it works.
4. They are a part of the 80% whom don't like change.
5. Would love to help you & be a part of the project.
6. Begrudge your very being & want you to fail.
Which when normalized becomes:
1. Supporters whom are just happy to help out & share their experience & knowledge
2. Begrudgers whom won't be happy until you fail
3. On the fence and enjoying the whole show
Me, I wouldn't do it personally, but happy to assist you in any way as it sounds like an interesting solution, albeit a little excessive.
So the bottom line is, as you're set on the idea and want to try it anyway, then go for it. They'll always be begrudgers, but more importantly, there will also be plenty of people whom want you to succeed.
Breizh
I am sure you are correct
I would like to apologise for any discombobulation and loss of equanimity I have inadvertantly caused to any sailors
Dylan
Storyline
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I don't think it is a good idea but would like to see Dylan do it for selfish reasons as he is such a good film maker and it would be fascinating to watch a film of the whole process. I stress that if he did go ahead I sincerely hope it works - hate schadenfreude.