Today, the RYA called me.......

[capnsensible]

Does this help anyone with how the system works?

Responsibility for issuing certificates of competence for sail and power vessels is given to the RYA by the British Government through the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA). The MCA is an agency of the Department of Transport.
The RYA is authorised to qualify examiners, provide examinations and issue certificates on behalf of the MCA for the following qualifications:

• Yachtmaster™ Ocean certificate of competence*
• Yachtmaster™ Offshore certificate of competence*
• Yachtmaster™ Coastal* (previously known as Coastal Skipper certificate of competence)
• Day Skipper Practical certificate*
• Advanced Powerboat certificate of competence*
• Powerboat Level 2 certificate*
• Day Skipper shorebased certificate
• Coastal Skipper/Yachtmaster™ Offshore shorebased certificate
• Yachtmaster™ Ocean shorebased certificate
• Marine Radio Short Range certificate
• Basic Sea Survival certificate
• First Aid certificate
• Diesel Engine certificate
• International Certificate of Competence for operators of pleasure craft

(*commercial endorsements may be added to these certificates to enable their professional use in relation to UK codes of practice for small commercial vessels.)

The RYA also accredits training centres who provide training towards these qualifications. RYA examinations are conducted independently of the training centres to ensure the integrity of these qualifications.

The RYA regularly meets Government officials at a high level to discuss issues in its maritime sector. The RYA also negotiates internationally on acceptance of its certificates worldwide.

 

[capnsensible]

And, of course, all still voluntary for leisure.

 

[capnsensible]

Something like that would be better, but it would need a bit of tweaking. For a start, there are four nations involved, so "national" is probably not the right word, and I think "body" needs a bit of fleshing out. "UK representative body", maybe?

Yeah, I think it reads better. But I don't think it's four nations, it's the uk as a whole. Team GB and all that.

Try this, especially para two, from the Maritime Coastguard Agency and how the UK government recognises the RYA as the national governing body, yadda yadda.

https://assetbank-eu-west-1.s3.eu-w...761a51192f5093e31df5eb34a400e511ccb2fc7f90eda

It's been an interesting Excercise digging deeper on this topic.?

 

[sailorman]

What is the French model ? And ours is going to the Dogs Home??

I phoned them when my renewal was due and declined their trnewal after 40 yrs of membership.i now have carers to psy for so the 50 pounds will be needed to subsidise our so called welfare stzte

 

[capnsensible]

If that doesn't work, the link to the MCA letter of authority is at the bottom of this:

mca-recognition

 

[sailorman]

? ?
OTOH, when one sees the job Group 4 or Crapita are doing running our infrastructure, maybe it is possible to do worse than Serco

or wirce cacambridfesgire bty council adult sicial services

 

[JumbleDuck]

Yeah, I think it reads better. But I don't think it's four nations, it's the uk as a whole. Team GB and all that.

That's why I removed "national" and left "UK". Calling anything UK-wide "national" up here (and probably across there and down there) is problematic for both political and practical reasons.

 

[NealB]

Does this help anyone with how the system works?

I'd guess that a very significant majority of this forum's members are very well aware of how the RYA 'qualifications' work.

In fact, one or two might even have had some of those very qualifications themselves for quite a few decades by now.

 

[capnsensible]

I'd guess that a very significant majority of this forum's members are very well aware of how the RYA 'qualifications' work.

In fact, one or two might even have had some of those very qualifications themselves for quite a few decades by now.

My point is about the authority to issue those qualifications and government recognition, not the qualifications themselves.

And indeed, some are probably more aware than others.....

 

[NealB]

My point is about the authority to issue those qualifications and government recognition, not the qualifications themselves.

And indeed, some are probably more aware than others.....

Yes ....... lots of scope there for self-interested promotion of the RYA by the RYA, and by RYA-recognised sea schools and by RYA-recognised instructors.

 

[capnsensible]

Yes ....... lots of scope there for self-interested promotion of the RYA by the RYA, and by RYA-recognised sea schools and by RYA-recognised instructors.

Who else do you recommend to promote the RYA? Is there a not interested group of some sort?

Do you think the UK government should not recognise the RYA as the governing body for yachting?

It would be good to hear of your alternatives. ?

 

[NealB]

Who else do you recommend to promote the RYA? Is there a not interested group of some sort?

Do you think the UK government should not recognise the RYA as the governing body for yachting?

It would be good to hear of your alternatives. ?

Despite not ever being convinced that we need a "governing body for yachting" in the UK, I was an RYA member from around 1985 until 2019.

I have done quite a few RYA courses and assessments.

I absolutey agree with you that the RYA are the obvious best candidates to promote the RYA.

I do not offer any alternatives to undertake that promotion, and wish them good luck in their endeavours.

I just don't feel the need to give them any more of my money.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Do you think the UK government should not recognise the RYA as the governing body for yachting?

It is not, save for competitive yachting.

 

[capnsensible]

It is not, save for competitive yachting.

It is not, save for competitive yachting.

Did you read the letter of authority I posted from the Maritime Coastguard Agency on behalf of the Government? Seems it actually is. Surprised me a little too. But then I thought, why would such a profile organisation make a claim to which it was not entitled? So that little bit of digging turned up the result. ?

 

[capnsensible]

Here is the relevant bit:






The Royal Yachting Association (RYA) is recognised by the UK government as the national governing body for sailing, power boating, motor cruising, personal watercraft and as a key stakeholder in inland waterways. Responsibility for issuing certificates of competence for sail and power vessels is given to the RYA by the British Government through the MCA.

 

[NealB]

Here is the relevant bit:






The Royal Yachting Association (RYA) is recognised by the UK government as the national governing body for sailing, power boating, motor cruising, personal watercraft and as a key stakeholder in inland waterways. Responsibility for issuing certificates of competence for sail and power vessels is given to the RYA by the British Government through the MCA.

What does 'governing body' mean?

How does the RYA 'govern' my sailing and my motorboating?

I'm not aware that it does, other than back in the days when I raced dinghies (and, even in that narrow context, 'govern' is something of an overtatement, in my view).

 

[JumbleDuck]

Did you read the letter of authority I posted from the Maritime Coastguard Agency on behalf of the Government? Seems it actually is. Surprised me a little too. But then I thought, why would such a profile organisation make a claim to which it was not entitled? So that little bit of digging turned up the result. ?

How bizarre. One wonders what authority the head of exams at the MCG had to make that statement. I have submitted a FOI request for the recognition document and the powers it confers.

Is it significant that it does not cover dinghy and yacht cruising, for which the RYA also claims to be our overlords?

 

[Bru]

The Royal Yachting Association (RYA) is recognised by the UK government as the national governing body for sailing, power boating, motor cruising, personal watercraft and as a key stakeholder in inland waterways. .

The final phrase was under protest

As for the rest, it stems from an assumption that *all* boating is sport and since sports need a governing body (to set rules etc) thus boating needs one

This has its pros and cons (I'm sure people can work them out!)

There is, and long has been, a lack of understanding in the corridors of power* that recreational boating is not necessarily undertaken as a sport

Thus, back in the day, the government was seeking a governing body to make b things tidy and up stepped the putative RYA saying "we'll do it, we'll do it". And Bob, as they say, is your aunties husband

Really, when you get right down to it, it's a matter of semantics. It is accurate to say that the RYA is the governing body for all that it claims *where a governing body is necessary* (but the last bit never actually gets said)

You will note that they're not the "governing body" for inland waterways (because it was forcefully pointed out that no such thing was necessary or desirable), just a "key stakeholder" (the aforementioned empire building - neither wanted nor required by inland waterways users who rather thought they'd already got more than their share of "key stakeholders"!)

 

[Bru]

* the corridors of power ... where the real work takes place

It doesn't take place in the House of Commons, it doesn't really take place that much in committees or formal meetings

Most of the real negotiations and horse trading takes place informally behind the scenes.

 

[JumbleDuck]

How does the RYA 'govern' my sailing and my motorboating?

I have emailed them to ask.