THOSE OF US WITH BOATS IN THE MED

Hooligan said:
i would also love to understand why, assuming everyone is reporting the numbers correctly, as the worst country in Europe
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Because we are not, the numbers to which you are referring are absolute numbers (even before one takes into account definitional and methodological differences), thus do not take into account the size of the population, sadly most journalists are pretty much innumerate and don't understand this pretty basic point.
 
Treatment approach has changed too

i think Italy went for full vent early.....high flow O2, B or C PAP and ECMO if vented seem to be getting better results.

interesting that only 1% of UK deaths have been aged under 45. Sort of supports a herd immunity effort.

its a learning curve.

@Portofino .....never knew that ref periodontal and BAME.....why is that?

sorry for the drift.
 
FARSCO said:
@Portofino .....never knew that ref periodontal and BAME.....why is that?

sorry for the drift.
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Touchy subject looking at racial differences.
Best not go there imho .
Its not the dustbin Dx of socioeconomic. After all all those NHS staff who have unfortunately died from C19 are not exactly candidates for “ lower socioeconomic “
Just google “ periodontal disease and ethnicity “ or similar wording .

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Or the other point “ periodontal disease and immunity “ .....for background reading on the link with your immune system


Sorry for the TD folks .

An easy analogy ....think Falklands 1981 = 2 x carriers - our only two btw , majority of the RN , Scots guards , Paras , Gurkhas + more, 8000 miles away on a mission .

What would have happened if one morning a Scando counties invasion force rocked up on the beaches along the Northumbria ?
While UK armed forces where deployed in the S Atlantic ??

Think of your immune system as your armed forces ......they are not a finite resource , takes time to train up new forces .If your forces are distracted you can quickly run out .
 
The 11th it is?????
and the sea is calling my name



Actually my boat is on the hard, it needs anodes anti foul and polish. The fridge has been on and the power disconnected for two weeks so I’m assuming flat batteries.
 
Forty_Two said:
And June 15th earliest for travel from UK if things go well.
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Yes I saw Marcon s said that today ....just to add as I predicted no quarantine between EU + U.K. .
But they have not made a decision on extra EU + U.K. ie other continents .

So my calculated 16 th June Chunnel ticket is looking good :) (y).

All in all if that date works in terms of relaxing EU road borders for tourist ( with or without bits of paper - box ticking ) then we have lost only 3 weeks of EU travel and 1 week of boating anyhow .

First job will be inspecting + changing anodes under water , scrubbing up the stern gear and evaluation of the micron 350 , it’s alleged to last 2 seasons ??
 
I will be at 90 days early June so probably drive back then for a rest at home then back down. No shortage of jobs on a wooden boat ? Still looking very smart now & can feel a bit smug that I got my lift out/launch completed before lockdown.

Went to Castorama today, I don't think the French "get" social distancing at all. It's also amazing how many folks wandering around the marina have their face masks covering mouth only.

Boats are moving to & from the yards now, has to be done with permissions etc but gradually more is happening. Probably be busy from Monday as locals appear more.
 
A new "Arrete" was published this evening on the website of the Prefecture Maritime de la Mediterranee setting out the rules for pleasure boats for the next month. Presumably the arrangements will be continued if there is no deterioration in the Covid19 situation. The language is typically French, but in summary the meaning is as follows:

The Arrete applies for the period 11 May 2020 to 1 June 2020 .

Journeys of up to 54 nautical miles (100km) from the home port are permitted. This includes stopovers in another port as a visitor provided the destination is within 100km of the vessel's home port.

When embarking and disembarking passengers, the social distancing and travel rules which apply on land must be observed. In particular, all passengers must embark/disembark at a point within 100km of their normal place of residence in France.

Maximum number of passengers permitted on board is ten.

The entry into French waters of foreign flagged vessels arriving from a port outside the Schengen area is prohibited if the intended destination is a port or mooring in France. Transit through French waters is permitted.

So, good news for those that live in France and are within 100km of their boats. Foreign residents will need to wait for the 100km general restriction on non-essential travel to be lifted.

The full text can be found at

https://premar-mediterranee.gouv.fr.../arretes/9246ce0d9b97ecd209505c7e21d9884b.pdf
 
DAW said:
A new "Arrete" was published this evening on the website of the Prefecture Maritime de la Mediterranee setting out the rules for pleasure boats for the next month. Presumably the arrangements will be continued if there is no deterioration in the Covid19 situation. The language is typically French, but in summary the meaning is as follows:

The Arrete applies for the period 11 May 2020 to 1 June 2020 .

Journeys of up to 54 nautical miles (100km) from the home port are permitted. This includes stopovers in another port as a visitor provided the destination is within 100km of the vessel's home port.

When embarking and disembarking passengers, the social distancing and travel rules which apply on land must be observed. In particular, all passengers must embark/disembark at a point within 100km of their normal place of residence in France.

Maximum number of passengers permitted on board is ten.

The entry into French waters of foreign flagged vessels arriving from a port outside the Schengen area is prohibited if the intended destination is a port or mooring in France. Transit through French waters is permitted.

So, good news for those that live in France and are within 100km of their boats. Foreign residents will need to wait for the 100km general restriction on non-essential travel to be lifted.

The full text can be found at

https://premar-mediterranee.gouv.fr.../arretes/9246ce0d9b97ecd209505c7e21d9884b.pdf
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That’s excellent news for us. 100km by boat is enough to rescue the season. All we need is some restaurants along the way to be open to make it a pleasant summer??
 
Portofino said:
Sorry for the TD folks .

An easy analogy ....think Falklands 1981 = 2 x carriers - our only two btw , majority of the RN , Scots guards , Paras , Gurkhas + more, 8000 miles away on a mission .

What would have happened if one morning a Scando counties invasion force rocked up on the beaches along the Northumbria ?
While UK armed forces where deployed in the S Atlantic ??

Think of your immune system as your armed forces ......they are not a finite resource , takes time to train up new forces .If your forces are distracted you can quickly run out .
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Apols for the pedantry - the Falklands conflict was ‘82. Of no matter for the purposes of your illustration but the conflict was real for some and remembering the year kinda matters :)
 
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Portofino said:
An easy analogy ....think Falklands 1981 = 2 x carriers - our only two btw , majority of the RN , Scots guards , Paras , Gurkhas + more, 8000 miles away on a mission .

What would have happened if one morning a Scando counties invasion force rocked up on the beaches along the Northumbria ?
While UK armed forces where deployed in the S Atlantic ??

Think of your immune system as your armed forces ......they are not a finite resource , takes time to train up new forces .If your forces are distracted you can quickly run out .
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You don't half post some utter balderdash but even by your standards that shows outstanding ignorance.

Quite apart from the wrong year, the Army commitment to Corporate amounted to 5 Infantry Battalions + supporting arms. There were at the time three DIVISONS assigned to BAOR plus UKLF, the RAF commitment was an even smaller proportion of their strength. The only bit that you got correct was that there was a lot of Naval (and RM) involvement.
 
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It’s hard to make a perfect analogy. But using a country’s armed forces to show how antibodies and macrophages work is actually quite good
 
Bouba said:
It’s hard to make a perfect analogy. But using a country’s armed forces to show how antibodies and macrophages work is actually quite good
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Yep and the import similarity is the various different parts, T cells , B cells , macrophages + few bits n bobs each covering different and slightly overlapping defensive parts .
As B Sunray said ( and I made the point about the RNs carriers ) if one part is overly distracted in some circumstances whole lot is overwhelming.
So a Scando is a night sail away , they may just have disabled our runways .....
whoops where are are our harriers for immediate air support and the chinooks for that matter moving kit up to Northumberland from Germany ....like now today ps !

Not saying the “ patient “ would have died but you seem to need 9 / 10 th of your immune system to fight this one .

Its taking out peeps with unknown to them sometimes weakened immune systems .
 
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Blue Sunray said:
You don't half post some utter balderdash but even by your standards that shows outstanding ignorance.

Quite apart from the wrong year, the Army commitment to Corporate amounted to 5 Infantry Battalions + supporting arms. There were at the time three DIVISONS assigned to BAOR plus UKLF, the RAF commitment was an even smaller proportion of their strength. The only bit that you got correct was that there was a lot of Naval (and RM) involvement.
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Sorry you cant see the similarities between your immune system and a nations armed forces .

Fortunately while studying at Guys at the time managed to pass P Co and was a TA paratrooper with 144 PFA based at the Duck of Yorks Barracks Chelsea, along with 10 P and 22 ( you know who B Sunray )
Missed the Falklands as was in training it by 1 month too young .Date mix up was my start at uni and para training 81 .
I remember all our kit being lost on the Atlantic conveyor .Buts it a longtime ago now and a lot of water has passed under the bridge so to speak .
I finished up one of two air bourne anaethetists .

Interestingly my first job was in the dept of oral immunology at Guys .....but a long time ago 1986 . A research assistant with vaccines .

So perhaps you can now see how tempting it is for me to link up the subjects .
 
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