The sublime and the ridiculous - boatshow

Poignard said:
Well I think we should be grateful to you.

Maybe I will send them a few quid.
Click to expand...

I think they are quite well off at present, but I've never come across anyone else who has (and they are fund seeking now with banners). It's a great project - today's equivalent of Diderot's Encylopedie - but infinitely more useful.

ps: is this thread drift?
 
BlowingOldBoots said:
An overheard a comment from a Principle of a sailing school, the gist of which was that clients don't want to share sleeping space with strangers. It is a reflection of what is demanded and one reason why designers go for volume and separate sleeping spaces on smaller boats. The new Hanse 315, being a great example with double bed aft cabin.

Hanse 315 | Great standards. Compact design.
Click to expand...
But it is NOT separate sleeping spaces is it? The forward cabin has no division from the main saloon so anyone sleeping there has no privacy for sleeping, dressing etc.My family would not like that & I would not take some crew on that basis either. I also note the much reduced storage compared to earlier 315 Hanse versions. The aft double cabin is not really that good for 2 people; very claustrophobic; OK for the odd night & great for one, But that is all.
I do not like the deck control gear. A 13.6HP engine trying to push that boat through a chop is not on. The power at the prop would be about 5HP . Nowhere near enough. A backward design step in my view.
I went to buy a new boat about 8 years ago & was so disappointed with the 35 ft Hanse that I did not buy it. I am afraid I had to admit that the Bavaria on the next stand was better in many ways - apart, I expect, from performance. But there is no wayI would sink to buying a Bav. In the end I decided my 2003 model was far better built than the later versions & better looking as well. I just wish I had been shown the 34 ft Hanse when I bought it, as I may well have bought that instead at the time. A possible mistake.
 
Daydream believer said:
But it is NOT separate sleeping spaces is it? The forward cabin has no division from the main saloon so anyone sleeping there has no privacy for sleeping, dressing etc.My family would not like that & I would not take some crew on that basis either. I also note the much reduced storage compared to earlier 315 Hanse versions. The aft double cabin is not really that good for 2 people; very claustrophobic; OK for the odd night & great for one, But that is all.
I do not like the deck control gear. A 13.6HP engine trying to push that boat through a chop is not on. The power at the prop would be about 5HP . Nowhere near enough. A backward design step in my view.
I went to buy a new boat about 8 years ago & was so disappointed with the 35 ft Hanse that I did not buy it. I am afraid I had to admit that the Bavaria on the next stand was better in many ways - apart, I expect, from performance. But there is no wayI would sink to buying a Bav. In the end I decided my 2003 model was far better built than the later versions & better looking as well. I just wish I had been shown the 34 ft Hanse when I bought it, as I may well have bought that instead at the time. A possible mistake.
Click to expand...

I think you miss the point and the context of my post. Modern needs and wants for leisure sailors are different than decades ago. It’s reflected in the designs of today compared to designs of 40 years ago. The Hanse 315 typifies that difference with its aft and fore cabins, which are separate.
 
Daydream believer said:
But there is no wayI would sink to buying a Bav.. A possible mistake.
Click to expand...
There, that fixed that for you!

Perhaps you should have gone for the better built, better quality, better looking boat at the time.

I agree 100% about the smaller Hanses at the time. The 325 and 345 were on my short list and even the significant price advantage to get one of the last of the 325 was not enough to sway me. Not so much the overall quality, but the smaller interior and particularly the cockpit layout with a huge wheel right up against the transom. The 345 was just bland, and the current 348 similar. The 315 was just coming in to replace the 325 and agree with you, poor layout, too many floor level changes and low headroom. However it is the style for that size as you can see with the Bene 30.1, new Dufour 32 (similar to its predecessor) and the now defunct Jenneau 319. More day sailors with bunks than serious cruisers. Probably great fun to sail on a nice sunny day and warm blue sea.
 
Last edited:
Bouba said:
I haven’t been to a boat show since covid, but don’t forget that France is home to the worlds largest manufacturer of small boats. Before covid the shows were always full of small boats, sail and power. Nonetheless, the French makers are building ever bigger boats
Click to expand...
So are the French building small boats but not showing them at Southampton?
 
Zing said:
The IHT discount shouldn't apply as you shouldn't be paying IHT anyway. Either spend it or give it away, or take out life assurance, or put it in trust (a bit) or IHT protected asset etc etc.
Click to expand...

Have you seen how low the IHT limit is? A modest house in the home counties will get you there before you add anything you have saved in life.
 
DJE said:
So are the French building small boats but not showing them at Southampton?
Click to expand...
I know nothing about that but the Grand Pavois in La Rochelle starts on the 28th September and you will see them all there!
 
Birdseye said:
Have you seen how low the IHT limit is? A modest house in the home counties will get you there before you add anything you have saved in life.
Click to expand...

It is currently £1 million for a house owning married couple if the unused first spouse's allowance is used on death of the second, and the direct descendants house allowance is also used.
 
Last edited:
dgadee said:
I think they are quite well off at present, but I've never come across anyone else who has (and they are fund seeking now with banners). It's a great project - today's equivalent of Diderot's Encylopedie - but infinitely more useful.

ps: is this thread drift?
Click to expand...

If it is thread drift it is a meritorious drift - lee bowing the tide perhaps?

I very much like the comparison with Diderot and the Encyclopédie.
 
Mais revenons à nos moutons… I don’t have much money for sailing, so I have robustly adopted the approach of buying the best quality and the best value for money in the secondhand market.

I have no other criteria.

This led me to an elderly Dragon as a student, to a teak gaff cutter in 1984 and to a Nicholson 55 in 2018. If it had led me to a trimaran, that is what I would have bought.

I’ve had a lifetime of happy sailing.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Other threads that may be of interest

Baggywrinkle
Test run of the Lithium system that has been sitting in my cellar for most of this year.
Replies
16
Views
604
Baggywrinkle
Baggywrinkle

Share this page

Top