The pointy bow... About to be consigned to history?
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Biggles Wader
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Surely you are bluffing!
flaming
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To be blunt, I think it's true...
BobnLesley
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How would you know which way to steer without a pointy end?
cherod
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A bit 1977 ish
Bobc
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Stop scowling
JumbleDuck
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Good point. My boat has two pointy ends which leaves me in a state of permanent confusion.
flaming
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You hide it well..
MikeBz
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A 90 foot scow was proposed for an attempt on the Transpac record 8 years ago: Ugly - but fast? - Yachting World
It's amazing how long it took the Mini class to catch on David Raison's idea. He designed a successful in Class 40 scow last year: Transat Jacques Vabre. Ian Lipinski et Adrien Hardy, grands vainqueurs en Class40
It's amazing how long it took the Mini class to catch on David Raison's idea. He designed a successful in Class 40 scow last year: Transat Jacques Vabre. Ian Lipinski et Adrien Hardy, grands vainqueurs en Class40
Bobc
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That means you can go forwards AND backwards. Winner!
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Ten Cate Windsurfer springs to mind. I remember learning to windsurf on a variant of this and the constant slapping as the blunt bow, slightly raised allowed the water to slap under the board.
Wansworth
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How long before the mainstream builders adopt these ideas?
doug748
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Good old Mirror leads the way.
JumbleDuck
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My dinghy has two blunt ends, which evens things up a bit.
JumbleDuck
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My boat also has a long keel. Going backwards is always an interesting and character-forming experience.
LittleSister
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But the two boats in MikeBz's pictures are clearly based on a later design: the Topper!
BenMurphy
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I've been watching the Sailing Frenchman YouTube channel recently and he has one of these ready for the Mini Transat:
Kiraucassis - Mini Maxi 650
Funny looking but it sure flies over the water!
Kiraucassis - Mini Maxi 650
Funny looking but it sure flies over the water!
flaming
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A 90 foot scow was proposed for an attempt on the Transpac record 8 years ago: Ugly - but fast? - Yachting World
It's amazing how long it took the Mini class to catch on David Raison's idea. He designed a successful in Class 40 scow last year: Transat Jacques Vabre. Ian Lipinski et Adrien Hardy, grands vainqueurs en Class40
Ah, but the reason for my post was not the fast boats, but the start of the crossover into cruising designs.
Already designers are shoving a lot of volume into the bow, how long before a mainstream yard goes full scow...?
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We all know that many ideas from racing have crossed over to cruising so I guess this will as well. There are obvious advantages around the 40' mark in that owners cabins at the bow could offer greater volume while still keeping the weight down. The awkward shape of sterns with cockpits and stern gear more suited for twin guest cabins. I can also see stuff like the Garcia design of anchor windlass moving back so that chain falls into the middle of the boat. Greater storage solutions in the beams and better office areas / saloon / galleys in the space freed up by having sleeping areas nearer the ends of the boat i.e. big boat layouts in smaller LOAs.
MikeBz
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But at least your boat is attractive.
David Raison's scow designs have been winning races in the Mini 650 class since 2010 (albeit that they didn't have foils then) - here is the first one from that year: First images of David Raison’s Magnum
Yes, fair point. They are certainly trending in that direction - the latest Sun Odyssey 410 and 440 are very full and slab-sided in the bow which allows a double berth with space either side. A lot of the mainstream cruising boats now carry max beam all the way to the transom and pretty much all have chines to give more interior width. Take this to its logical conclusion and you end up with a rectangular box - and we're pretty much back at the Thames Barge.
