claymore
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Looks a sight niftier than the old one - no doubt TK will not agree
The New Twister
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Twister_Ken
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If they haven't got the imagination to think of a decent new name for their bath toy, they haven't got enough imagination to design a decent boat either.
Must rush, I'm just off to start a popular beat combo. Gonna call ourselves "The Beatles". I've got this idea for a song called "She Loves You."
Must rush, I'm just off to start a popular beat combo. Gonna call ourselves "The Beatles". I've got this idea for a song called "She Loves You."
Aardee
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I see it's made in Poland - Plumbing & electrics should be OK /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Achillesheel
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Tacks like a Laser, apparently. In my experience, this means the mainsheet gets caught round an annoying lip on the stern quarter, and you capsize while trying to sort it out.
Bajansailor
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I tried to google the 'new' Twister, but couldnt find it - only found lots of 'old' (but very nice) Twisters - have you a link to a website for the 'new' one please?
(or are we not talking about a boat at all? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif)
(or are we not talking about a boat at all? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif)
Twister_Ken
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Bajan,
Nah, you don't want to look, nasty plastic soap dish thingy with all the stability of an archbishop on ice skates.
Nah, you don't want to look, nasty plastic soap dish thingy with all the stability of an archbishop on ice skates.
Bajansailor
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Oh, OK.... how can they have the temerity to call it a 'new' Twister then? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Twister_Ken
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Maybe the Holman and Pye trademark has expired? Maybe they're just rip-off merchants?
http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=49755 if you must. They don't even have a website of their own, it seems.
http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/display.phtml?aid=49755 if you must. They don't even have a website of their own, it seems.
Sniper
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I must admit, as the owner of a 'proper' Twister I felt slightly indignant too. However, I don't think there's much chance of getting the two confused. I know which I'd rather be sailing, especially if caught out offshore in a rising gale.
DRANNIE
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wells perhaps thats why they cost less than a executive car and are category C rated. If you have taken it off shore in a rising gale you are probably a muppet, or promoting your dad's small boat company. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Bajansailor
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OK, I looked.......
And it reminds me of a wedge of cheese with a stick on it..... and presumbly some ballast below holding it upright in addition to the massive form stability afforded by that wedge shape (excellent upside down as well!).
Not even outrageously pretty either, unlike the 'proper' Twisters who are 'exhilarating' to the eye.
And only 0.35 m draught, hence not much righting moment (unless the keel has a nice big bulb on the bottom?).....
And YM say "This boat is very competitively priced, especially as she is a stylish head-turner to look at... an exhilarating boat to sail. I've never known a boat accelerate at such a rate."
Did they actually sail it, or even go on board? If they did, they should know better than to write such rubbish like ".....an exhilarating boat to sail. I've never known a boat accelerate at such a rate."
OK, maybe it was 'exhilarating' (Press release speak?) for the YM tester - who has obviously never sailed a dinghy, or a fast catamaran, or any performance sailing craft if this is the mostest acceleration Mr / Ms Tester has encountered.......
And it reminds me of a wedge of cheese with a stick on it..... and presumbly some ballast below holding it upright in addition to the massive form stability afforded by that wedge shape (excellent upside down as well!).
Not even outrageously pretty either, unlike the 'proper' Twisters who are 'exhilarating' to the eye.
And only 0.35 m draught, hence not much righting moment (unless the keel has a nice big bulb on the bottom?).....
And YM say "This boat is very competitively priced, especially as she is a stylish head-turner to look at... an exhilarating boat to sail. I've never known a boat accelerate at such a rate."
Did they actually sail it, or even go on board? If they did, they should know better than to write such rubbish like ".....an exhilarating boat to sail. I've never known a boat accelerate at such a rate."
OK, maybe it was 'exhilarating' (Press release speak?) for the YM tester - who has obviously never sailed a dinghy, or a fast catamaran, or any performance sailing craft if this is the mostest acceleration Mr / Ms Tester has encountered.......
sighmoon
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..... and presumbly some ballast below holding it upright
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Not enough, by the looks of it.
But it'll be OK, because Twisters have an enviable reputation as fine seaworthy vessels.
..... and presumbly some ballast below holding it upright
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Not enough, by the looks of it.
But it'll be OK, because Twisters have an enviable reputation as fine seaworthy vessels.
Slow_boat
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'' stylish head turner''??????
graham
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Horses for courses.Looks like a fast fun sports type boat to me.At sea in a gale I think the old Twister would be the one I would chose to be in.
jb2006
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Why not check the article before ripping into it.
Draught 0.35 - 1.5 m plate up/down - two thirds of the ballast (600 kg) is steel moulded into the hull, the other third is in the keel.
Sounds a lot of fun to me - doesnt have the weather capacity I want though (also agree with the tacks like a Laser comment - many soakings trying to unhook the sheet from a Laser transom myself)
Draught 0.35 - 1.5 m plate up/down - two thirds of the ballast (600 kg) is steel moulded into the hull, the other third is in the keel.
Sounds a lot of fun to me - doesnt have the weather capacity I want though (also agree with the tacks like a Laser comment - many soakings trying to unhook the sheet from a Laser transom myself)
fdmarsden
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In the motor industry, a while ago, model names used by one manufacurer were registered, and could not be used by another.
Having owned a Hustler 25.5, I think that Holman and Pye, with one possible exception, designed not merely good, but great boats.
The Twister is , in my opinion, one of their best.
I am somewhat shocked to find that the displacement of this new pretender to the name is a little less than the ballast of the original.
Other names have also been reused, e.g. TS 240.
Time, I think, for the RYA/MCA or whoever to step in, as buyers could be seriously misled.
Having owned a Hustler 25.5, I think that Holman and Pye, with one possible exception, designed not merely good, but great boats.
The Twister is , in my opinion, one of their best.
I am somewhat shocked to find that the displacement of this new pretender to the name is a little less than the ballast of the original.
Other names have also been reused, e.g. TS 240.
Time, I think, for the RYA/MCA or whoever to step in, as buyers could be seriously misled.
FullCircle
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Still are, but its the cost of litigation by people who are no longer in business, and therefore no further interest.
Norton is owned by a German guy and a Canadian company.....
What about those that changed their name, like the Aphrodite 29, the Sadler Starlights etc?
The new 'Westerly' 35?
Norton is owned by a German guy and a Canadian company.....
What about those that changed their name, like the Aphrodite 29, the Sadler Starlights etc?
The new 'Westerly' 35?
Bajansailor
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Re: Ripping the \'new\' Twister
No worries mate, I thought I was just commenting, not ripping.....
Havent seen the YM article, just the link posted earlier.
OK, so 600 kg of ballast is moulded into the hull, but with a draft of only a bit over 12" and a very beamy hull, I think she still relies mostly on form stability, and would be quite happily stable upside down over quite a large range - would be interesting to see her GZ curve.
I would agree though that she should be good fun to sail! But I would prefer a 'proper' Twister any day really.
No worries mate, I thought I was just commenting, not ripping.....
Havent seen the YM article, just the link posted earlier.
OK, so 600 kg of ballast is moulded into the hull, but with a draft of only a bit over 12" and a very beamy hull, I think she still relies mostly on form stability, and would be quite happily stable upside down over quite a large range - would be interesting to see her GZ curve.
I would agree though that she should be good fun to sail! But I would prefer a 'proper' Twister any day really.
jb2006
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Re: Ripping the \'new\' Twister
Sorry - just felt you were being a little unfair
Certainly with the 300kg / 4 ft plate up she must be on the tender side. I agree with you too that she could be quite stable inverted with all that beam, the G/Z curve would be interesting even with the plate down. Looks like a boat for lots of fun, but rarely a relaxing sail and how long can you sail on the edge and enjoy it. I used to find an hour was enough in a Laser in a strong wind (inland!) after that I couldnt wait for the race to end before I wiped out due to a lapse of concentration.
Don't know much about the real Twister (don't want to offend Ken tho... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif). Is she a half-tonner?
Sorry - just felt you were being a little unfair
Certainly with the 300kg / 4 ft plate up she must be on the tender side. I agree with you too that she could be quite stable inverted with all that beam, the G/Z curve would be interesting even with the plate down. Looks like a boat for lots of fun, but rarely a relaxing sail and how long can you sail on the edge and enjoy it. I used to find an hour was enough in a Laser in a strong wind (inland!) after that I couldnt wait for the race to end before I wiped out due to a lapse of concentration.
Don't know much about the real Twister (don't want to offend Ken tho... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif). Is she a half-tonner?
