coopec
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What you say encourages me!
Just wondering what make of yacht you have? Maybe Halberg Rassy 49? (Or perhaps a Hylas 54?)
No, it is a 44ft Van de Stadt?
The ideal blue water yacht
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What you say encourages me!
Just wondering what make of yacht you have? Maybe Halberg Rassy 49? (Or perhaps a Hylas 54?)
No, it is a 44ft Van de Stadt?
rogerthebodger
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You can come as sail on my home built boat and sail in my area of sailing to see what sailing in remote areas is all about.
Rappey
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There is a straight cutaway but no where near as dramatic as a rustler 36.
Bobc
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A race. I propose a race.
Cooprec can sail his boat over to blighty (as it's such a perfect blue water yacht), and then we'll all have a race around the IoW.
That should settle things (not).
Oh wait, my boat's not in the UK any more (yes, it is a Bavaria, and no, it didn't sink en-route), and by the time Cooprec gets his boat in the water, I'll probably be in a care home.
Cooprec can sail his boat over to blighty (as it's such a perfect blue water yacht), and then we'll all have a race around the IoW.
That should settle things (not).
Oh wait, my boat's not in the UK any more (yes, it is a Bavaria, and no, it didn't sink en-route), and by the time Cooprec gets his boat in the water, I'll probably be in a care home.
coopec
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FlyingGoose
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Is this not the crux of all iLife, it is a compromise ,and we all all blessed just to be on the water.
Clearly and throughout history modern techniques lighter made but not compromised gear and better design techniques are all around us
Not many here got a crt tv anymore , or a 40 year old car for runnnig around in,
This thread is like kids comparing BMXs in the day , but they all did the same thing you pedalled you moved,
If I wanted to do tricks I would get a mongoose frame , if I want to race a boat I get a racer, but everything inbwtween there are compromises .
Mine was price and space, and a ketch for smaller sail handling ,I knew I would have to compromise, but that’s life , I compromised on the wife why not the boat
In regards to certain abilities I stand by my tug, yes prop walk understanding, wind angle, throttle control and a little prayer will see us manoeuvre but I watch with envy as a modern boat breezes into a dock or tight space , , I watch with envy as they race to windward when I am hopefully of 50 to 60 angle of the wind,
She is slow until 12 to 15 knots ,but handles well in big lumpy seas , and has the space I needed ,
I have no real experience on modern boats , but my first ever car was a VW TYPE TWO CAMPER , and I thought this is what all cars drive like , no power steering ,she moves side to side in a corner and chugs along, then I got a hire car in France after the beast. broke down in the french alps , then I realised what driving a modern car was like
I suspect it will be the same with a modern boat , and I will cry with envy , but acccept my lot in life and be happy I'm just sailing
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I have had long keeled boats and modern fast, comfortable boats. I'd far rather have a modern boat especially as even the minority who do sail long distances spend the majority of time not sailing long distances. As others have said the world's marinas are full of AWB boats that have managed to sail there from somewhere.
Buck Turgidson
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Those IMOCA open 60's look pretty good in blue water. Slightly less living space than my Twister but they will get to the bar first.
ip485
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As to pointing of course size does matter. With a long keel and 50 feet you may need a little more wind to get going but it will go to windward very nicely at 8 knots even if it is a few degrees less close than a fin keel. Above 30 knots it may well go better than many fin keelers if only because a long keel will track so true and be much less work for the skipper or autopilot for all those long ocean hours, an even more true as the sea gets up and lighter yachts start to slam a lot more and the angles increase. Just a thought. I also find you tend to arrive less tired, and often before the others just because if the weather gets a bit more lively they tend to ease off the pace a lot more. I am definitely not say a properly crewed fin keeler isnt faster, but in the real world where the yacht will often have a crew of a couple, maybe a family, maybe one extra hand, it is unfair to compare with round the bouys and those with a full race setup. Blue water sailing or even the coastal passages most couples will do is very different, this is the reality of the typical short handed holiday passages for most.
Hallberg-Rassy
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One of these?
I can see, however, how getting there fast to minimise the time spent at risk is one strategy.
No, self-righting would have to be at the top of the list of requirements of a blue water boat.
coopec
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Buck Turgidson
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lol.One of these?
I can see, however, how getting there fast to minimise the time spent at risk is one strategy.
I like Hugo Boss, You know, the one that cut off it's keel after damage and still sailed twice as fast as I can to the Cape Verdes
Buck Turgidson
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Because it's on the water rather than the lawn?Well each to his own. You can't be serious?
Not for me
coopec
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I suppose that is your attempt at sarcasm regarding progress on my yacht?
Keep rolling your eyes : you might find a brain back there.
AngusMcDoon
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Maybe there should be a completely new classification of boats where we can have a discussion about their keels at length. I propose, rather than 'blue water' boats, we start talking about 'green land' boats. Now I think bilge keels would be best, not just because of the lateral stability, but because you can get right under them to mow the lawn. Any opinions?
rotrax
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This thread is degenerating.
When I was heavily involved with Internatioal Motorcycle Racing the World Championship sidecars were invariably using a very expensive and beautifuly made Swiss Rolf Biland chassis, called a " Saymaz " He made top level Kart chassis too.
My old mate Rodger - his boy Stephen is the current British Sidecar Champion - was asked what he was to be riding next season. He replied, twinkle in his eye "Saymaz !"
" Christ Rodger - 'ave you morgaged the 'ouse! " came the reply.
" No " Rodger said " Saymaz last season.............."
IIRC RKJ had his eye on sponsorship and a new 40 foot ish steel boat.
Sponsors being hard to find he took his wooden ketch 'Suhali'.
We all know what happened after that, dont we.
Jay Leno, a great motorcyclist and collector of exotic bikes and cars was asked " What is your favourite motorcycle? "
Leno reflected a moment and replied " The one I am riding when asked that question! "
Ergo, like motorbikes, all boats are good - certainly better than not having one.....................
When I was heavily involved with Internatioal Motorcycle Racing the World Championship sidecars were invariably using a very expensive and beautifuly made Swiss Rolf Biland chassis, called a " Saymaz " He made top level Kart chassis too.
My old mate Rodger - his boy Stephen is the current British Sidecar Champion - was asked what he was to be riding next season. He replied, twinkle in his eye "Saymaz !"
" Christ Rodger - 'ave you morgaged the 'ouse! " came the reply.
" No " Rodger said " Saymaz last season.............."
IIRC RKJ had his eye on sponsorship and a new 40 foot ish steel boat.
Sponsors being hard to find he took his wooden ketch 'Suhali'.
We all know what happened after that, dont we.
Jay Leno, a great motorcyclist and collector of exotic bikes and cars was asked " What is your favourite motorcycle? "
Leno reflected a moment and replied " The one I am riding when asked that question! "
Ergo, like motorbikes, all boats are good - certainly better than not having one.....................
Buck Turgidson
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The thread got what it deserves.
This topic is really "I'm yet again trying to justify my choice by rehashing a well worn topic" .In this case by quoting a 2 year old article.
doug748
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The thread has not degenerated!
As the Yorkshiremen say:
It started at nowt - an then tapered off.
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Do you still hve a motorbike Rotrax?
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coopec
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No one asked you to comment. Has that occurred to you? Geeez!
Maybe the lock down is taking its' toll? How many more days to go?
Have a good evening.
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I don't think people have to be invited to comment on an open forum? Or, is Trump taking over here as well?No one asked you to comment. Has that occurred to you? Geeez!
Maybe the lock down is taking its' toll? How many more days to go?
Have a good evening.
