pvb
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Thankfully, you know the history of your 20 year old yacht....
The ideal blue water yacht
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Thankfully, you know the history of your 20 year old yacht....
capnsensible
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It's an opinion thing isn't it. Bavaria yachts get such a lot of heresay bad press, yet lots cross oceans.
I like the go with what you got plan. See thousands of people doing exactly that. ?
I like the go with what you got plan. See thousands of people doing exactly that. ?
coopec
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I agree with what you say regarding you go with what you've got but not a Bavaria! (They have gone bankrupt anyway).
PaulRainbow
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RupertW
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And those who do mostly prefer to do in nice boats rather than curvy concret
Because?
PaulRainbow
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Lots of things contribute to an ideal yacht, i think that the first thing on the list should be that its actually in the water, or it isn't ideal for anything, unless you can fit it with lawn mower blades.
pvb
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Bankrupt? They're thriving. Why do you make up such rubbish?
RupertW
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Oh I should make myself more clear. The curvy concrete tunnels are the 1960s long keeled sailing sheds. Give me the benefit of 20 or 30 years better GRP design anytime.
rogerthebodger
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I think coopec can do better than that having worked in the Australian mining industry.
rogerthebodger
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On 20 April 2018 Boote Magazine was reporting that Bavaria has filed for bankruptcy - According to information available to the magazine investors have withdrawn their capital support. On 16 September 2018, Capital Management-Partners GmbH (CMP) officially acquires Bavaria as a new financial investor.
pvb
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That was over 2 years ago! The company is thriving, introducing new models, continuing to develop its technology.
skipmac
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For what it's worth I'll toss in my tupence. I have owned full keel boats and fin keeled boats and made long, offshore passages in both. Would not have another full keel boat for various reasons.
The biggest reasons, they tend to be slow and don't point well at all. I know gentlemen don't sail to windward but occasionally even a gentleman gets caught out and has to beat home. Besides, from Florida most destinations are a long way, dead upwind. The few that are downwind it's upwind to get back home.
Then there is some evidence that a full length keel with no cutaway forward can trip over the keel when running downwind in heavy seas and broach.
Finally full keel boats are a dog to maneuver in tight spaces.
The biggest reasons, they tend to be slow and don't point well at all. I know gentlemen don't sail to windward but occasionally even a gentleman gets caught out and has to beat home. Besides, from Florida most destinations are a long way, dead upwind. The few that are downwind it's upwind to get back home.
Then there is some evidence that a full length keel with no cutaway forward can trip over the keel when running downwind in heavy seas and broach.
Finally full keel boats are a dog to maneuver in tight spaces.
rogerthebodger
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May be so but think of all the creditors who possibly lost money when they filed for bankruptcy
PaulRainbow
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Do we nee a tick box in the list of important features for a blue water cruising boat, "Manufacturer must not ever have filed for bankruptcy"
That'll rule out more than a few.
On the other hand, do we really give a monkeys ? I suppose we do if we're just here to abuse Bavaria owners, or it it just one Bavaria owner in particular ?
dunedin
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Methinks that there are a lot of boatbuilders who built long keeled boats back in the 60s and 70s that went bankrupt. Certainly not many left in business. And not certain, but didn’t one of the few remaining builders of old keeled boats, Island Packet, hit solvency problems recently, albeit may be back in limited build.
Poignard
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Those of us who own Twisters like to think of it as more of a challenge; as we stand there gripping the tiller with white knuckles, our knees knocking, and the blood running down our chins from bitten lips.
rogerthebodger
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If you knowing buy a boat second hand that was made by a boat who has gone insolvent that is OK but buying a boat from a manufacturer that has gone insolvent just after you paid the final payment and loose and guarantee would be very disappointing.
Then there is any suppliers who were owned money by the manufacturer who went insolvent could be devastating to the supplier let alone the employees of the manufacturer loosing their job.
Restarting production could help but still there will be people who have lost due to no fault of their own.
The suppliers and ex employers who lost money and jobs
I have not pick out Bavaria owners or any owners of any boat or other supplier of goods.
I actually feel sorry for any boat/equipment owner who loses due to the insolvency of any manufacturer.
I have lost numerous times when a customer when insolvent and failed to pay their account so may ne more sensitive than those who haven't lost due to insolvency
michael_w
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Long keel boats have loads of real estate to anti foul too.
Neil_Y
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Clearly the best is the Roger Martin designed Cetacea, I spent a bit of time on her a few years ago with the original owner, talking through his experiences having circumnavigated on an old long keel yacht before getting Cetacea built. But she was not cheap and outside my budget when I wanted a boat to live on and cruise, I ended up with a Bavaria and strangely it had many redeeming features and behaved extremely well ( reassuringly) in a variety of sea conditions, from November Biscay storm to Atlantic storms and nasty waves West of Azores. Have a look at this...designed for the job from the keel up. Cetacea - Rodger Martin Design
capnsensible
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Why not?
