The final straw.

[ChrisP]

I've officialy declaired this week cancelled.

After the less than desirable start to the week. Covered in previous posts.
last night youngest daughter decides to try sky diving on the staircase. All evening spent in various hospitals (due to our ilustrious governments cutbacks). Trying to decide if it's broken of dislocated. Turns out they think it's ligaments. Good for another day off school, and Sarah if you're reading this you're going next week crutch's or not.

Still got my own back. Carrying her in from the car whacked her head on the front door frame.

Still I can now look forward to a weekend fixing the toilet on the boat. Where's Hayden when you need him???

ChrisP ;o)))

What do you mean the sea gull in front's walking !!!

 

[tr7v8]

Bad luck Chris, Oh and the daughters head can be fixed on the NHS, more importantly hows the door frame, that'll cost money? ;-)

Wife works in Private sector as a nurse and it's no better believe me.

Jim
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[ChrisP]

I've got to be honest the staff were great how the hell they work under those conditions is beyond belief.

Chris

What do you mean the sea gull in front's walking !!!

 

[byron]

I seem to remember about 5-6 years ago one of your daughters as a cause for concern at a TVR Rally.

http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk

 

[boatone]

How on earth doea anyone actually start to improve the situation? The sheer scale of it is daunting enough but the funding issues are enormous. Our society seems to value flash cars holidays etc above health funding so whats the answer?
Personally I'd be happy to pay extra tax if i could be sure it would be used specifically for funding health imoprvements.

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[paulineb]

... and about 3 years ago, didn't she fall off the bouncy castle at the Commodore's Fly Past ?

Pxx

 

[adarcy]

Re: It\'s too big

<<sheer scale of it is daunting enough but the funding issues are enormous >>

exactly, the NHS employs more people than the Red Army did at it's height and just cannot be micro-managed from the centre, even before you put politics into the equation. But you can't get politics out because it is so expensive.

I think it is very strange that people believe in a centrally controlled health system where the consumer has no say or realistic choice (try competing with a free-at-the-point-of-use system, but it has got so bad the private sector is obviously winning). Yet "most" people believe in a free market for food. You'd die quicker without food than a health service. We "all" know that a National Food Service would still have rationing and food queues.

Smash the whole thing up, let competition in and let people DECIDE how much they want to spend on their health/illness rather than be told by the Goverment to like it or lump it.

Rant over - flame away.

 

[ChrisP]

That was Suzanne. Fell off her high heels and cost me the free dinner offered to the judge's. Yet another night spent in the casualty department.

Still as the omnipresent wife pointed out last night I shouldn't moan because at one time I had current A&E records in every hospital south of the Thames, 1 in Grimsby, 2 in Spain and 1 on the Isle Of Wight.

And if you read this Pauline you're quite correct I missed the presentation of the club trophies due to sarah being in St Peters after falling off the bouncy castle. They sent the trophies on later.

ChrisP ;o)))

What do you mean the sea gull in front's walking !!!

 

[oldgit]

Re: It\'s too big

And how about the people in society who will have neither the income nor the "cannot think of a nice word here" so intelligence will have to suffice,to look after themselves.With all its faults our health service does the job it was designed to do.Most complaints are not as a result of experience but daily press having run out of royal butler/pop idol/EU/asylum/to much tax/house price/ public outrage fables.

NV.

 

[adarcy]

Re: It\'s too big

See last page of todays Telegraph about the "efficiencies" of state provision
by Patrick Minford

Vouchers here we come, I hope.

 

[jfm]

Re: absence of NFS

Those people "in society" (why when we're talking about the poor do we add "in society" after "people"?) are so few in number that it makes no sense to build the health system around their needs. They can be catered for in a free-market health system with a fraction of the cost/waste that exists in the NHS. They do not starve to death despite there being no National Food Service in the UK today. In Soviet USSR, where there was a National Food System, everyone queued and the poor starved......

 

[adarcy]

Re: absence of NFS

Right on jfm

Unfortunately this burning question of vital importance to the 50-odd million of us now stands at 2 (you and I) against NHS/NFS and 1 (oldgit) for it.

Ain't democracy wonderful. However, I suppose if most people were really P***ed off with it something would have happened before now.

 

[Trevethan]

Re: absence of NFS

I agree with you.. the NHS needs to be funded directly through a proper meducal insurance scheme. those in work pay, those out of work are subsidized.

Most importantly, keep the government out of the decision making process.

Allow patients to choose their hospitals. Expand the NHS drop in service (which is pretty good) and staff with doctors, not just nurses.

Broke my wrist a while back. Saw the doctor Friday afternoon. She told me to go to casualty. Went up there early Saturday and waited all day for an X-ray... didn't get one in the end cos of all the bloody football players making a fuss about their twisted ankles. Tip here when you are asked to grade how much pain you're in, lay it on with a trowel, don't say it aches, and only really hurts when I move it.....

Called Dr again and had an appontment made for xray at hospital. Finally x rayed 4 weeks after I hurt the bloody thing - completely ludicrous.

In Canada or Norway I could have walked in to any surgery, been seen by the Dr, x-rayed and treated - all in a day.



Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

 

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: absence of NFS

problem is politicians are afraid of doing it

adversaries would spin that it was dismantling the NHS to leave an everyman for himself system that would not look after the poor. even president blair with his massive majority would fear it would cause revolt and cost him his job

plusd fact
ministers like having big depertments it makes them feel important

the problem with politicians. those who want to be ones are normally least suited.
altho i donot like ken livingstone he did get credit in the us when interviewed for a us paper he said his hobby was drinking excessively
the yanks reckon no us politician would ever say that or be so honest
so at least we have that.

This isn't an office, its hell with strip lighting