HissyFit
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If the electrics go out in an aircraft, you'll have more on your mind than the non-availability of the charts.They’ve managed in aircraft for quite a few years!
If the electrics go out in an aircraft, you'll have more on your mind than the non-availability of the charts.They’ve managed in aircraft for quite a few years!
That choice has existed for a while though and people have moved wholesale over to digital. So at some stage producers simply have to stop. You can;t justify a printed output if onlya small handful of people then buy each chart ( or well you could but users would have to pay through the nose for it)Hello everyone, The only thing that comes to my mind, is that everything seems to be going digital. This may be fine, and it might even be better, but why can we not still have the choice in how we do things, whether it is charts, paying in cash instead of cards etc. Choice seems to not exist for lots of things now. Best regards, Oz.
They’re mostly fly by wire these days, I don't think you’d have that long to worry about it.If the electrics go out in an aircraft, you'll have more on your mind than the non-availability of the charts.
It costs very little extra to provide a pdf file alongside the data for a chart plotter. (Think printing a section of a libreOffice vector drawing to file). So I see no reason for the pdf files to not be provided.That choice has existed for a while though and people have moved wholesale over to digital. So at some stage producers simply have to stop. You can;t justify a printed output if onlya small handful of people then buy each chart ( or well you could but users would have to pay through the nose for it)
I suspect that some chandlers may invest in larger scale printers, more waterproof ink and paper and do print on demand for a while ( even at A3 size) but as older, traditional sailors age i can see even print on demand ceasing
I suspect that by the time they get to actually stopping printing the coded boat community will have persuaded the MCA that they aren't needed providing there are two entirely independent systems on board (e.g. boat system + phone/tablet).Also, I think this means that coded vessels would have to buy imray charts as I don't think any others are approved?
Well we have had a choice, and presumably because the sales are so poor the Admiralty have concluded "our" choice is not to bother with paper. The alternative is presumably to keep printed charts but charge 10x the price. Other publishers will remain a choice, or will follow suit if there is insufficient demand. Interestingly if you look at on land mapping in many regards for what ordinary people do Harveys maps are better than OS (waterproof, lighter, convenient scale, extra info, centred on locations of interest), yet OS dominate which limits even these simple innovations. Admiralty is probably similar - by them stopping it may open up opportunities for others e.g. print on demand at a chandler, imray to add new styles/ranges etc.Hello everyone, The only thing that comes to my mind, is that everything seems to be going digital. This may be fine, and it might even be better, but why can we not still have the choice in how we do things, whether it is charts, paying in cash instead of cards etc. Choice seems to not exist for lots of things now. Best regards, Oz.
I've cobbled stuff together in the past - but does any of the software currently available actually make this easy to do?I print charts/portions of charts in A4 then laminate them, A3 would be better but A4 ok too.
RSo what happens in the event of the GPS being corrupted by proximity to naval/military exercises, or total failure due to system issues, or solar activity or...............?
I think your source is either not understanding or the website I found is ficticious
GeoNAV Satellite Systems
Jonathan
However, many sailors currently use non-official navigation systems, which warn they should not be used as a replacement for government-produced charts.
Admiralty Facts
One popular brand, GEONAV, displays the automatic warning...
All of the offshore wind farms that I have passed look like well lit cities.Not just buoys which move. Our charts from north of Portugal to UK are around 18 -20 years old and I certainly wouldn't trust them if returning to the UK, too many offshore wind farms have been constructed since.
Have you thought about getting your eyes tested
I think the reality is that for UKHO their main interest is in commercial shipping and leisure sailors are a nuisance. They have been trying to abandon paper charts for yachts for some time. It is a cost reduction exercise for them.Well we have had a choice, and presumably because the sales are so poor the Admiralty have concluded "our" choice is not to bother with paper. The alternative is presumably to keep printed charts but charge 10x the price. Other publishers will remain a choice, or will follow suit if there is insufficient demand. Interestingly if you look at on land mapping in many regards for what ordinary people do Harveys maps are better than OS (waterproof, lighter, convenient scale, extra info, centred on locations of interest), yet OS dominate which limits even these simple innovations. Admiralty is probably similar - by them stopping it may open up opportunities for others e.g. print on demand at a chandler, imray to add new styles/ranges etc.
You could screen shot your iPad, I guess.Daft question coming.
Is it possible to print an image from a chart plotter ?
And would it show Lat and Long ?
Wot, Skippers got the chart out, are we lost or sumit.This will be interesting for the tugs, we are under 500gt so aren't covered by the requirement to fit ECDIS but we are over 24m so the Imray charts aren't approved for us.
The change to print on demand has been going for a while, and doesn't cause us any issues apart from the far less durable ink that rubs off more easily with the pencil lines.
I can only imagine the cost of fitting 2x independent systems onto each tug, and training for close to half the masters and mates that aren't trained to use ECDIS
(I am though, and have used it - it's important to remember electronic charts ≠ GPS! They are in some ways better for non-GPS navigation than paper)
You are spot on. I am not aware of any mainstream plotters that allow this.Are there any devices outside of ECDIS e.g. standalone plotters, PC plotters or even apps that allow intersecting bearings, running fixes or radar fixes to be entered to establish position? Tools to replace a paper plot? I know Simrad and Raymarine don't provide these features. It would be straightforward for the data to be entered or displayed, particularly with radar being controlled from them, as a lot of information is there on the network already. I guess it's not a sexy as autorouting or a nice 3D piccy of a mullet so they won't justify the software development.
An over-reliance on a single source of position - GNSS - that can be vulnerable to many affects isn't a good thing.
For the moment I'm glad that Imray will fill the void for us.
Are there any devices outside of ECDIS e.g. standalone plotters, PC plotters or even apps that allow intersecting bearings, running fixes or radar fixes to be entered to establish position? Tools to replace a paper plot? I know Simrad and Raymarine don't provide these features. It would be straightforward for the data to be entered or displayed, particularly with radar being controlled from them, as a lot of information is there on the network already. I guess it's not a sexy as autorouting or a nice 3D piccy of a mullet so they won't justify the software development.
An over-reliance on a single source of position - GNSS - that can be vulnerable to many affects isn't a good thing.
For the moment I'm glad that Imray will fill the void for us.