BarryH
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Re: of toys and prams
hmm, I think you've missed the point.
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hmm, I think you've missed the point.
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The Dinghies are out of control
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sailbadthesinner
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Re: of toys and prams
okay a bit /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
but it does come across as a bit ranty
with phrases like 'somehting should be done' and 'when i was a lad' 'wind powered hooligans' etc.
as ever i think education is the key not regulation. it never seems to work and is more costly in the long run. plus never put down to malice what you can put down to ignorance.
the water in the solent is more congested and as such this sort of thing does occurr probably way too often.
much beter to teach someone to do the right thing than regulate and mop up the mess.
i agree that the clubs shiuld be held responsible and more should be done to make sure they race in appropriate areas and that all racers are aware of the colregs, the limited manoueverbility of other vessels and that other water users may be just down right terrified of being hit at speed by these machines.
understand your point barry, you could never be accused of sitting on the fence
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okay a bit /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
but it does come across as a bit ranty
with phrases like 'somehting should be done' and 'when i was a lad' 'wind powered hooligans' etc.
as ever i think education is the key not regulation. it never seems to work and is more costly in the long run. plus never put down to malice what you can put down to ignorance.
the water in the solent is more congested and as such this sort of thing does occurr probably way too often.
much beter to teach someone to do the right thing than regulate and mop up the mess.
i agree that the clubs shiuld be held responsible and more should be done to make sure they race in appropriate areas and that all racers are aware of the colregs, the limited manoueverbility of other vessels and that other water users may be just down right terrified of being hit at speed by these machines.
understand your point barry, you could never be accused of sitting on the fence
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Sans Bateau
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We will always give plenty of room to Dinghy 'circuits', sometimes if the course is set were there is a lot of traffic, then they can be a nuisance. But it is a big sea.
We will, when we can always sail rather than motor, last year we were sailing into Bembridge, conditions were just right; there was at the time also a dinghy race under way (or is it making way?), considering the narrow width of the bouyed channel and the fact that we were on a stbd tack, we heard someone bellow, "we are racing, out of the way!", Whilst execrising polite restraint,(?) I took the oppertunity to remind the helm that even he had to comply with Col Regs!
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We will, when we can always sail rather than motor, last year we were sailing into Bembridge, conditions were just right; there was at the time also a dinghy race under way (or is it making way?), considering the narrow width of the bouyed channel and the fact that we were on a stbd tack, we heard someone bellow, "we are racing, out of the way!", Whilst execrising polite restraint,(?) I took the oppertunity to remind the helm that even he had to comply with Col Regs!
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Twister_Ken
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Tugging forelock
Always knew you wus landed gentry and not some snotty-nosed little scouse git, yer honour.
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Always knew you wus landed gentry and not some snotty-nosed little scouse git, yer honour.
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Twister_Ken
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Re: paddling sneakily
Paddlin', that's like shooting a sitting bird. frightfully unsportin'. Not even allowed to ooch.
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Paddlin', that's like shooting a sitting bird. frightfully unsportin'. Not even allowed to ooch.
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sailbadthesinner
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Re: Tugging forelock
aah kenneth isn't it?
Scouse. oh wot , no. all a ruse dear boy. one has to learn the common touch. how better than from the common people.
altho its not all fun this landed business.
prima noce with pauline b was no poicnic./forums/images/icons/wink.gif
now be about your work
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aah kenneth isn't it?
Scouse. oh wot , no. all a ruse dear boy. one has to learn the common touch. how better than from the common people.
altho its not all fun this landed business.
prima noce with pauline b was no poicnic./forums/images/icons/wink.gif
now be about your work
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jimi
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My tactic now with these guys is to start to engage them in conversation .. pretending to be a little hard of hearing .. shout back "Sorry Rhubarb Rhubarb handicap protest Rule 34 Section C part 1 infringement, I'm going to fly a protest flag"
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BarryH
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Re: of toys and prams
Does it, wasn't 'sposed to be a rant, more of an observation. Thers was a lot of "talk" a while ago about unruley behavior from other sectors of water users ie pwc,s. To my mind they don't cause a hinderance or are as much of a danger to other water users. Bloody annoying, yes I'll grant you
For every pwc out on the water there must be 20 odd sailing dinghies. Now most pwc riders do nothing more than play in your wake. Can't see the attraction in it, but hey, everyone to their own. Whereas dinghy sailors tend to stick to their courses no matter what and its a lot harder to predict thir course of action.
Some have no agenda apart from getting where they want to go as quickly as possible regardless of what or who is around them.
Your quite right in saying that its all down to education. Dinghy courses teach you to sail a dinghy. Not who's got right of way or anything about colregs. Yes they teach you whos got right of way on what tack and who can leagally, acccording to racing rules, can "call" for water. On these courses as far as other water users are concerened, they don't exist!
Not really having a Rant, well maybe a little one. More an observation of how, as you say, times have changed. And as they've changed so much, should the dinghy skools and dinghy clubs not take that into account when the set/hold these races with regards to other water users.
Its not a them and us situation anymore. We've all got to use the same bits of water. I'd rather us all use it but in safety and harmony. We all do it for rest/relaxtation/fun whatever.
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Does it, wasn't 'sposed to be a rant, more of an observation. Thers was a lot of "talk" a while ago about unruley behavior from other sectors of water users ie pwc,s. To my mind they don't cause a hinderance or are as much of a danger to other water users. Bloody annoying, yes I'll grant you
For every pwc out on the water there must be 20 odd sailing dinghies. Now most pwc riders do nothing more than play in your wake. Can't see the attraction in it, but hey, everyone to their own. Whereas dinghy sailors tend to stick to their courses no matter what and its a lot harder to predict thir course of action.
Some have no agenda apart from getting where they want to go as quickly as possible regardless of what or who is around them.
Your quite right in saying that its all down to education. Dinghy courses teach you to sail a dinghy. Not who's got right of way or anything about colregs. Yes they teach you whos got right of way on what tack and who can leagally, acccording to racing rules, can "call" for water. On these courses as far as other water users are concerened, they don't exist!
Not really having a Rant, well maybe a little one. More an observation of how, as you say, times have changed. And as they've changed so much, should the dinghy skools and dinghy clubs not take that into account when the set/hold these races with regards to other water users.
Its not a them and us situation anymore. We've all got to use the same bits of water. I'd rather us all use it but in safety and harmony. We all do it for rest/relaxtation/fun whatever.
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halcyon
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Re: Mad regulations
It's not the dinghies to worry about down Falmouth, it's the large working boats with a 15 foot battering ram on the front.
Brian
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It's not the dinghies to worry about down Falmouth, it's the large working boats with a 15 foot battering ram on the front.
Brian
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Mike21
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Must be you petrolheads, Brendan, see another advantage us diesel users have is they try to avoid coming near us so as not to be enveloped in clouds of cancergenic fumes /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
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ships_parrot
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It's not just the dinghies that are out of control - it's just people. Our society is becoming less considerate and our numbers are increasing. Don't be surprised when the same thing happens on the water.
There are plenty of morons about irrespective of what they sail/motor, there are plenty of idiots on big boats too - trust me I've seen them! This is really becoming a problem because too many people are trying to use the same few bits of water. I've sailed out of Poole once, that was busy enough, I dread to think what the Solent is like...
The situaton is made worse by the fact that the sailing dinghies are very different now. They are fast, draw quite a lot, and tend towards dagger boards. I really can see your point about being overtaken, but you can also imagine that depending on the point of sailing it can be very hard to stop these dinghies without all hell breaking loose and making a bad situation worse. I'm sure you can see that from his point of view, leaving the shallow channel and hitting a sandbank with a daggerboard at 10 knots is not an option. I doubt if either of you completely understood the situation from the other's side.
Unfortunately we'll all get into the odd spot we'd rather not be in, and use less than perfect means to get out of it. As more of us get on the water the frequency of these incidents will increase... The only way away from it is to sail in the less populated waters...
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There are plenty of morons about irrespective of what they sail/motor, there are plenty of idiots on big boats too - trust me I've seen them! This is really becoming a problem because too many people are trying to use the same few bits of water. I've sailed out of Poole once, that was busy enough, I dread to think what the Solent is like...
The situaton is made worse by the fact that the sailing dinghies are very different now. They are fast, draw quite a lot, and tend towards dagger boards. I really can see your point about being overtaken, but you can also imagine that depending on the point of sailing it can be very hard to stop these dinghies without all hell breaking loose and making a bad situation worse. I'm sure you can see that from his point of view, leaving the shallow channel and hitting a sandbank with a daggerboard at 10 knots is not an option. I doubt if either of you completely understood the situation from the other's side.
Unfortunately we'll all get into the odd spot we'd rather not be in, and use less than perfect means to get out of it. As more of us get on the water the frequency of these incidents will increase... The only way away from it is to sail in the less populated waters...
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Mike21
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Do they really have to use port and starboard channel markers as racing buoys? difficult to avoid them when you need to use the channel to get to where your going. There must be other suitable areas that they can race in , outside the main channels.
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sailbadthesinner
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Re: of toys and prams
agreed
sailing down the hamble last time i went there there were loads or 8m or so racing yachts with little outboards on the back. did they motor out to start area then hoist? buggery did they, they tacked down a narrow channel that meant you could not overtake and had to stop to let them tack in front.
i can rant with the best of them
but i think on this occasion the RYA should publish a big notice to all clubs
cos someone is gonna get sunk /hurt /scratched. then everyone will start ranting
*draws breath*
thankyou
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agreed
sailing down the hamble last time i went there there were loads or 8m or so racing yachts with little outboards on the back. did they motor out to start area then hoist? buggery did they, they tacked down a narrow channel that meant you could not overtake and had to stop to let them tack in front.
i can rant with the best of them
but i think on this occasion the RYA should publish a big notice to all clubs
cos someone is gonna get sunk /hurt /scratched. then everyone will start ranting
*draws breath*
thankyou
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jimi
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Re: of toys and prams
You're being unreasonable. The Hamble is a small river suited to small boats its the 60 footers flying their spinnakers up to Warsash that are the real problem. These boats should'nt be allowed in the Solent cos there just isnt the room. Really sailing should not be allowed within 2 miles of the coast unless the boat is under 10.5 Metres long.
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You're being unreasonable. The Hamble is a small river suited to small boats its the 60 footers flying their spinnakers up to Warsash that are the real problem. These boats should'nt be allowed in the Solent cos there just isnt the room. Really sailing should not be allowed within 2 miles of the coast unless the boat is under 10.5 Metres long.
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sailbadthesinner
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Re: of toys and prams
we was motoring slowly down the river
it was all these ruperts practising small roll tacks in front in their oversized bloody dinghies that werew the problem
that and some fairy swordsman blistering past smelling of diesel, beer and vomit
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we was motoring slowly down the river
it was all these ruperts practising small roll tacks in front in their oversized bloody dinghies that werew the problem
that and some fairy swordsman blistering past smelling of diesel, beer and vomit
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jimi
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Re: of toys and prams
Listen you wiz motoring .. yoos is in ra wrang. You shouldnae be on ra river, yer a pollutin' dieselheid. Global warming is all your fault .. pah I hope the Taffs who've had their roofs blown off sue ye!
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Listen you wiz motoring .. yoos is in ra wrang. You shouldnae be on ra river, yer a pollutin' dieselheid. Global warming is all your fault .. pah I hope the Taffs who've had their roofs blown off sue ye!
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sailbadthesinner
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Re: of toys and prams
i should point out i was crew.
for the 'big race'. which as i recall a certain scotsman avoided by feigning deafness to all messages on channell 72 and making haste toute de suite to the hamble
as for taffs with their roofs blown off, probably an insurance scam
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i should point out i was crew.
for the 'big race'. which as i recall a certain scotsman avoided by feigning deafness to all messages on channell 72 and making haste toute de suite to the hamble
as for taffs with their roofs blown off, probably an insurance scam
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robp
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Re: Er.. 11 metres please! nm
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Paddy_OReally
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its the same over here on the lake. i can't complain to much as i organise the oppy fleet. at least we time the races so that there is no other race taking place at the same time.
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peterb
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Re: of toys and prams
Just get yourself a little "B" flag (red swallowtail), and fit it with a couple of crocodile clips. Next time one of them wants you to move, do so but clip the flag to the shrouds making sure that he sees it. It's a 'protest' flag, and the poor erk won't know whether you mean it or not.
Remember, racing rules require hin to follow IRPCS when meeting a non-racing boat.
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Just get yourself a little "B" flag (red swallowtail), and fit it with a couple of crocodile clips. Next time one of them wants you to move, do so but clip the flag to the shrouds making sure that he sees it. It's a 'protest' flag, and the poor erk won't know whether you mean it or not.
Remember, racing rules require hin to follow IRPCS when meeting a non-racing boat.
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