The Ady Gil: Who was in the wrong

[Mavro]

Hi Folks,

I've just come across some amazing footage of a the Shonan Maru 2 ramming the Ady Gil (previously Earth Race) causing it to ultimately sink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdUISE3e8c

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2010/01/08/...y-gil-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-429449

I've been amazed at the number of people disagreeing over who was at fault.

What is your opinion?

 

[[32511]]

Can't get much more deliberate than that- any prosecutions pending?

 

[Sandyman]

Hi Folks,

I've just come across some amazing footage of a the Shonan Maru 2 ramming the Ady Gil (previously Earth Race) causing it to ultimately sink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdUISE3e8c

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2010/01/08/...y-gil-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-429449

I've been amazed at the number of people disagreeing over who was at fault.

What is your opinion?

Guilty as charged (should be)

Seems quite clear to me that the Shonan Maru changed course so as to bring her water cannon to bear. Her speed should also be brought into question.

I suspect the disagreements on fault & blame are caused by views other than one of seamanship alone, which it should be.

 

[fergie_mac66]

attempted murder at least

 

[Vindleka]

Seamanship

There was a previous post about this at the time it happened. It seems to me difficult to apply notions of colregs and seamanship if one of the vessels involved is trying its hardest to get in the way of the other at every opportunity and doing everything it can to wrap rope around the ship's prop. The Ady Gil didn't need to be anywhere near the other ship, and could have moved out of its way at any time up until the last moment, when it seemed to accelerate into the ship's path.

 

[Cruiser2B]

Ady Gil was admittedly involved in an act of piracy. Their ramming was a deliberate act of self-defence; perfectly acceptable course of action. Speculating of course.

 

[saltwater_gypsy]

I always thought they should be called The Anti-Collision Regulations.
There maybe a secret book of Collision Regulations issued to whalers....seem to work perfectly in this case

 

[Boat44]

Japan for hunting endangered species and flying in the face of the mass majority of humans on this planet with regards to whaling ban.

Go Paul Watson!

 

[Ludd]

Ady Gil was admittedly involved in an act of piracy. Their ramming was a deliberate act of self-defence; perfectly acceptable course of action. Speculating of course.

Quite possible the Japanese helmsman was blinded by the laser device being aimed at him. Not impressed by so -called "ecologists " behaviour,more like teenage yobs!

 

[Major Catastrophe]

Quite possible the Japanese helmsman was blinded by the laser device being aimed at him. Not impressed by so -called "ecologists " behaviour,more like teenage yobs!

And the Ady Gill's helm was blinded by the tons of water pouring onto his screen.

But, the laser scenario does not add up as the Ady Gill's crew were not using the laser during the approach of the Jap ship. They were stationery in the water.

I am assuming that you have seen the 'new' video.I am assuming that you have seen the 'new' video.

Not defending the Adi Gill, just getting the facts right.

 

[Vindleka]

Responsibility

Sea Shepherd were threatening the lives of the japanese Whaling fleet who were 'legally' hunting whales for research purposes in the Southern Ocean. Rather than pursuing legal methods to contest that right, they were looking for opportunities for confrontation and had been harassing the fleet for some time. The Shonan Maru 2 had a job to protect the fleet against Sea Shepherd's very aggressive tactics. In my opinion, Ady Gil was hoping that something like this would happen to at least win a propaganda victory if nothing else. I find it surprising that sailors applaud their actions when most of us spend our lives trying to avoid these situations.

 

[fergie_mac66]

Sea Shepherd were threatening the lives of the japanese Whaling fleet who were 'legally' hunting whales for research purposes in the Southern Ocean. Rather than pursuing legal methods to contest that right, they were looking for opportunities for confrontation and had been harassing the fleet for some time. The Shonan Maru 2 had a job to protect the fleet against Sea Shepherd's very aggressive tactics. In my opinion, Ady Gil was hoping that something like this would happen to at least win a propaganda victory if nothing else. I find it surprising that sailors applaud their actions when most of us spend our lives trying to avoid these situations.

have you looked at the new video ? Im not commenting on your post.Those on andy gill dont appear to be doing much at all

 

[kingfisher]

Hmmmm. At 1:30 you see the Andy Gill giving it a bit of throttle forward. If the AG hadn't moved forward, they would not have been hit.

 

[Resolution]

My reaction too - look at the wake from the stern of the AG. I think the Colregs tribunal should blame both parties. Now what would be an appropriate sentence?

Was the AG insured? What comes after gross negligence.....

 

[bitman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Qt73-Gfl0&NR=1&feature=fvwp

 

[Bilgediver]

My reaction too - look at the wake from the stern of the AG. I think the Colregs tribunal should blame both parties. Now what would be an appropriate sentence?

Was the AG insured? What comes after gross negligence.....

The AG does not look like the most manoeverable vessel . Certainly looks like lots of forward welly given as the vessels get close and at that point the whaler goes hard to port to avoid . Was this forward welly used with an ineffective hard to starboard when in fact full astern would have been more appropriate.


I don t thing the AG was the most suitable design for this close encounter work.

 

[KevB]

Having looked at all the links to video posted here it seems very obvious the AG accelerated into the path of the whaler. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of what the whaler was up to the idiots on the AG endangered lives and should be punished accordingly.

 

[Major Catastrophe]

I thought we had already established on the previous threads on this subject that the Shonan Maru 2 turned to starboard and with the Ady Gill's helmsman blinded by the water hitting the screen, which, by the way, the Japanese continued to spray onto the Ady Gill after she had been hit, went slowly forward because he couldn't see where he was in relation to the Shonan Maru 2.

Right up to the moment the Shonan Maru 2 turned the Ady Gill was dead in the water.

See for yourself here - Clicky


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[Madhatter]

Been here before and stand by my posts then

The stupid skipper on the Ady Gil should not have put his vessel or crew in the position they found themselves in, even appearing to accelerate into the ship, he is the one at fault irrespective -------

 

[Major Catastrophe]

Been here before and stand by my posts then

The stupid skipper on the Ady Gil should not have put his vessel or crew in the position they found themselves in, even appearing to accelerate into the ship, he is the one at fault irrespective -------

I respect your opinion, but my opinion is that if you are dead in the water and a ship bears down on you, changing direction as it does some way off before the final change, you cannot be blamed for being hit when you cannot see because of the water being thrown at you and the limited visibility to the rear from inside.