Tender Musings

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Overall Ariam is a very nice boat, but she does have one or two weak spots. One of those is the cockpit locker space, which is distinctly limited. So my search for the impossible combination of a tender that we can stow neatly on board but also use to carry the crew ashore continues.

The current solution is a Bombard AX3 airdeck and a Suzuki 2.2hp 2-stroke. These are both excellent pieces of kit, within their limits, and if I only had myself to transport then I think they hit the sweetspot of stowability versus capability. They also work acceptably, if not quite as nippily, with a passenger.

However, I like to sail with at least two friends on board, and when said two friends were with me in Alderney the other week they declined to share the dinghy. They insisted that I play taxi-man and transport them back and forth individually, as they reckoned they would get a soaking if all three of us went together. I suspect they may very well have been right. I should point out that neither I nor one of my sailing friends are by any stretch of the imagination lightweights.

This back-and-forth ferrying turns what should be a quick run-ashore into a major logistics operation - and that was from one of the closer-in buoys at Braye. It would be a real drag across, say, Salcombe.

I can't really fit anything bigger than the AX3 in the locker. So I'm thinking that maybe the solution is to keep the AX3 as the always-available standby but, when cruising further afield to places where I expect a lot of dinghying (I'm thinking particularly of the West Country), strap something bigger down on deck. I'm actually thinking of one of the flollopy but expansive old large Avons, like the Redshank - though of course the quicksand floors would necessitate either wellies or bare feet. Traditionally you also get a wet bum from the tubes, but with the Redshank there should actually be enough thwart space for nobody to be perched on the edge.

Of course, enlarging the dinghy brings thoughts of uprating the engine. I can't imagine an undulating old Avon will plane however much power you throw at it, but I guess a 4hp will at least shuffle it along faster than a 2?

I don't really want to spend too much on this project, since I already have a dinghy and outboard that do their limited jobs well. And you can buy a lot of water-taxi trips (where available) for the money even some second-hand dinghies are asking. Though I always rather resent the loss of independence of the taxi option.

As an aside, my mate keeps threatening to buy a zap-cat (I keep reminding him that he already has a 150hp speedboat) and reckons it could be packed deflated on Ariam's deck for use as a local runabout (bit more than a tender). For example, for exploring among the rocks in the Channel Islands where a fin-keeled visiting yacht fears to go. I'm prepared to entertain the idea if it really does pack small enough, but I strongly suspect there's a lot more rigid structure in those things than he thinks. In any case, the actual buying of it is something of a pipe-dream and he really ought to get on with emptying the rainwater out of the speedboat engine first.

I'd still like to be able to get three or four of us ashore, dry, in one trip.

I guess I don't really have a question. I'm just musing.

Pete
 
I didn't think of the Bombard as having unusually small tubes. A quick google suggests an official figure of 16 inches - I don't know how that compares to others. Curious that a French boat seems to only be quoted in inches. Also note that the "AX3" name has been around a while and possibly the design has altered a bit over the years.

I can see the logic of sitting higher up on a bigger tube - though ultimately the waves are going to win that arms race pretty quickly. It's always seemed to me that there was more future in staying off the tubes (whether by sitting on a thwart, squatting on top of the flare bottle I used for a kit box, or kneeling/crouching on a rigid floor) - so that the occasional slop over the rounded edge isn't straight into your pants.

To me the obvious solution would be a kind of "skirt" bonded to the tube, a bit outboard of top dead centre. When sitting on the tube you could pull this up to the small of your back (I imagine it only being 8 inches high) and deflect even quite large ripples. I guess no manufacturer includes it because it would seem like a bit of a "mad inventor" contraption.

Pete
 
The AX series goes up to the AX4, which we used to have. That'd carry four in comfort for not much bigger the the AX3 in terms of stowed space. But what ever inflateable you go for it's going to be wet in a bit of a chop. Tell your mates to stop whinging, put their oilie trousers on and that you're only doing one trip ashore: if they don't want to get wet, one of them doesn't get to go ashore....:rolleyes:
 
Some ideas:

Bigger outboard so the second round trip is quicker and more fun;

Second dinghy to tow with the first or to row;

Fatter dinghy to take you all (and bigger outboard);

Split crew, some go/come back by water taxi.

We've done all these. But a good rib or larger hard dinghy would be better, if you can carry one/blag one when you arrive somewhere.
 
I had a similar stowage problem a few years, and ended up stowing the deflated dinghy rolled up across the back of the cockpit against the pushpit, bungeed in place. Works really well, offering a great back-rest when lying down along the seats. My "boat dinghy" is only a 2.3, however my "club to mooring dinghy" is a Redcrest and that would fit fine too.

The Redcrest is soooooo much drier, mainly due to the proper shaped bow (and yellow bow dodger), it rides over the waves and the splashes go underneath. The XM has a flat bow and tries to beat the waves into submission. Usually unsuccessfully.
 
I'm not too bothered about weight, it's volume (especially when folded in the real world rather than the manufacturer's lab :) ) that matters.

Pete

The bag/cover for mine is a strappy thing you roll the dinghy up on top of and then heave ho on the straps until the package is as small as you can get it. Easier to do on a pontoon, but is possible on deck. So, providing you fold the sides properly in before you roll, the actual package won't be much bigger than the optimum. That said, mine either lives on deck, strapped to the coachroof, or down below, in the quarterberth. I don't have a spare locker for it.
 
Might I humbly suggest something which I have seen worn on every (non-Med) tender trip with which I have been connected: Oilskins, boots and lifejackets:)

Lifejackets we have (or rather, buoyancy aids, which can be left in the dinghy without fear of theft, and are arguably more useful for swimming and clambering back in).

Oilies and boots I'm trying to avoid, as it's not much fun going for a sunny walk around Alderney (to take a recent example) thusly attired. Two-up in the AX3, we got to and from the boat several times in ordinary clothes without any wetness.

Pete
 
The bag/cover for mine is a strappy thing you roll the dinghy up on top of and then heave ho on the straps until the package is as small as you can get it.

Same here, but if the dinghy isn't tightly rolled to begin with then the cover will not magically shrink it.

I don't have a quarterberth :)

Pete
 
Same here, but if the dinghy isn't tightly rolled to begin with then the cover will not magically shrink it.

No 18yr old son to heave on the straps then?

I don't have a quarterberth :)

But you do have at least two other spare berths - the ones your friends go in!

Pete

Seriously though, I don't think there's a sensible solution beyond what's already been said. Staying dry, in an inflatable tender - even a large one - is never a given. Even when it's calm, you may have to deal with wash from other peoples' boats - particularly in Salcombe (!).

Re the two venues you gave as examples - in a place like Braye - close in and little tide - you could have left the outboard behind and paddled ashore fully loaded. Less likely to get splashed that way. Only one trip each way, albeit taking a little longer. In Salcombe, with the tides to contend with, you could drop your crew off as close to your boat as you can eg at Fisherman's if you are heading for the E Portlemouth beaches. But from the Bag to Town, you're almost guaranteed a splashing if not a soaking as you go round Snapes point in an ordinary inflatable. We had a berth up by Lincombe Boatyard for a few years and very soon got ourselves a 14ft hard dinghy for travelling around the estuary - even that wasn't enough to keep everyone dry all the time. One trick we did discover was that as members of the Island Cruising Club, we could get over to Egremont and use their free launch service to Town - I can't guarantee this still works though.

In your shoes I'd probably stick with what you've got, but (if you are missing the aforementioned 18 yr old) get one of your visiting crew to do more of the taxi work. They might then prefer to oily up/get splashed instead.

When it's calm and still, the stars are out and the phosphorescence is gleaming, trips ashore in a dinghy -whatever the dinghy - are magical! Getting a bit wet sometimes is supposed to be part of the fun.
 
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What you are asking isnt possible, as you realised. Bigger dinghy means bigger stowed size. But you can get a dinghy that will keep you dry and people feel safe in. Look for one with bigger tubes, pretty sure your AX will have the 37cm versions, newer dinghys have 42cm tubes and it makes a big difference. Get a V floor airdeck, the dinghy feels safer because your legs are under you and in the boat, the deeper floor makes you feel like you are 'in' rather than 'on' the dinghy. Find a dinghy with a flaired bow tube, it deflects waves and keeps everyone dry.

The Honwave 2.7 meets all the above, but its really heavy and chunky even when deflated. But its dry, feels safe and will plane with a 4hp and 1 aboard. It wont fit you locker, so you would probably need to store it on the foredeck and it will take 2 of you to lift it onboard. There are a few other dinghys similar to this, the SunSport is pretty much an exact copy, but sells for less 2nd hand.
 
Almost as good as the skirt around the gunnel would be a set of heavyweight bin bags. Climb into dinghy, Climb into large bin bag. Pull up to chest height. Away you all go. As long as you can overcome the embarrassment I'm sure it would work.
PS You take them off before going for a walk.
 
The Honwave 2.7 meets all the above, but its really heavy and chunky even when deflated. But its dry, feels safe and will plane with a 4hp and 1 aboard. It wont fit you locker, so you would probably need to store it on the foredeck and it will take 2 of you to lift it onboard. There are a few other dinghys similar to this, the SunSport is pretty much an exact copy, but sells for less 2nd hand.

Until very recently we had a Quicksilver (= SunSport) 2.6 metre Airdeck. Super thing, not too heavy, rows and motors well and has carried six people on smooth water. Only problem was it was a little too big for our foredeck. We have replaced it with the SunSport 2.3 inflatable hull ARIB which as you say gives far more legroom. However, there is no comparison with the 2.6 and getting three larger people in it would be a struggle. Rowing it with the two of us aboard is not ideal as the person forward tends to lower the bow quite a bit. Not really got to grips with it yet but it feels like a severe downgrade at present. However, it does fit the foredeck and it is a good deal lighter.
 
We had a Zodiac aerodeck 385 or 10. somthing ft that was excellent with large dia tubes and a high pressure inflatable , very stable, floor, it rolled up easy into an easy to use case but we carried it inverted on the foredeck, it was not especially light but us two wrinklies could nevertheless use cunning/ guile to lift it vertically up the guardrails to a point where we could seesaw overbalance it onto the deck. we could equally have pulled it up using the spinnker halyard. I had some 1 inch wide straps with aluminium buckles to strap it down to the coachroof handles ahead of the mast ( Jeanneau Sun legende 41) this zodiac planed with two of us aboard and just a Honda 2hp outboard. The AX series always looked like wet bum creators to me and I remnber well seeing one French crew where 2 very pretty French ladies removed their lower gear to keep it all dry as they went ashore for a meal, with their bare rears kissing the wavelets. :D nowadays we have a 10ft Rib in davits on the stern of our Oceanis 36CC and a 10hp Mercury 4 stroke that will take it up to around 20kts if we want
 
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