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ParaHandy

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Re: IR 35, tax, this government

You forgot FRS17? Another innovation by the bean-counters proving they too can be as daft as the gov. This requires pension funds to be valued within cpy accounts which is going to damage final salary schemes, many terminally.

The gov have chipped away at the supports to cpy pension schemes, as you said withdrawl of tax credit (£5bn), which will lead to the substitution of many final salary schemes (currently 70%) with contribution schemes. There is a very real risk that we will see pensioners in abject poverty in 15-20yrs time.

The UK pension scheme was the European flagship. Now, there are so many holes below the waterline that it is a mystery how it still floats.

Indeed, entry by the UK into the EU single currency would have meant that we, in the UK, would have to shoulder part of the EU's pension burden because the EU have grossly underfunded state pensions whereas the UK have private pensions. The gross underfunding by EU countries in their pensions meant that a significant portion of EU debt is allocated to pensions which is not the case in the UK. We as taxpayers will pick our share of that debt up.

You can not fail but be deeply dismayed and very angry at what is going on behind our backs.
 

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All those cosy little final salary schemes will have to be funded by someone.Companies can no longer afford to feather bed employees with overgenerous pension fund contributions.
Welcome to the real world.Out here what you put in is what you get out.
Afraid everone will have to buy a money purchase scheme like the rest of us.IMHO
 

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Very true oldgit, but with awful annuity rates there will either be mass poverty amongst the retired or the govt will have to change the annuity regulations, which at the moment they seem very reluctant to do.

As the song goes, there could be trouble ahead...............
 

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The government would not mind at all if your beliefs were common currency. It is, though, not the truth but such views suit the government well - it helps disguise their own mistakes. To add to that list, I think that the recent change in contracted out rates pushed more *back* into SERPS and is precisely what the government did not want to happen.

The point I'm making is that this gov seems to view pensions as an enormous tax cash cow which can be milked for all its worth and, because we deal in 30-50yr timespan, the consequences don't matter - at least, not before the next election. Trouble is on it's way.
 

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Help me understand this Barry: Brits over there don't like American boats because among other things they are a) not stylish enough and b) hard to resell, yet you go out and buy a Caddy land barge!
 

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S'true - but then I've got an American boat and enjoy it. SWMBO is American so it makes her feel at home. Besides which the Caddy is only an inch (or 3.4cm) longer than the Jaguar I was going to buy - and it's newer, lower mileage and better spec'd than the Jag. Never been known to follow the crowd <G>

Enjoy your cruise.

Barry D.

"No, No, no - come off the plane before entering the lock..."
 
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