Poignard
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It's a long time since I have seen standing rigging made with Talurit splices.
Is this method now disapproved of by pundits? If so, why?
Is this method now disapproved of by pundits? If so, why?
Talurit splices for standing rigging
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lw395
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Roll swages are neater.
Less parts to go wrong.
Talurits don't work on dyform wire.
I have the bolt-up Ormiston tool to do DIY talurits on wire up to 5mm, I've done up to 4mm and tested them up to a reasonable load, but for shrouds I go to my local rigger.
Less parts to go wrong.
Talurits don't work on dyform wire.
I have the bolt-up Ormiston tool to do DIY talurits on wire up to 5mm, I've done up to 4mm and tested them up to a reasonable load, but for shrouds I go to my local rigger.
DownWest
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Ok with 1x19 up to 5mm, but not as good looking as roll swaged for modern yachts.
I have a 20 tonn DIY press that I make the odd bit for friends. I used to make all the rigging for my father's kits way back on a Talurit press. Mostly galv back then.
My new boat will likely just need the odd strop, as it has free standing masts (little cat yawl)
In construction and other lifting jobs, still very much the norm.
I have a 20 tonn DIY press that I make the odd bit for friends. I used to make all the rigging for my father's kits way back on a Talurit press. Mostly galv back then.
My new boat will likely just need the odd strop, as it has free standing masts (little cat yawl)
In construction and other lifting jobs, still very much the norm.
Refueler
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Talurit are fine .... in fact many people mistakenly call Talurit a Swage.
One of the main things I was told many years ago by a professional rigger ..... if you see a guy press a Talurit twice - he is not correct and you should reject it.
One of the main things I was told many years ago by a professional rigger ..... if you see a guy press a Talurit twice - he is not correct and you should reject it.
GHA
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DownWest
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Refueler
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You must have strong hands!
Or sloppy thimbles..
Blimey brings back memories of splicing wire ... getting that thimble tight in ...
Yes I can splice wire, plait and laid up ropes ... do most knots one handed ... Sign of a mispent youth !!
zoidberg
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The things I can do one handed differ somewhat from the above - but are also considered signs of a mispent youth.
GHA
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Get a wire from a strand under the fingernail! Makes standing on lego seem like nothing
Refueler
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Get a wire from a strand under the fingernail! Makes standing on lego seem like nothing
Tell me about it !! I know !!
thinwater
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Talurit calls their machines "swagers"....
But yeah, they are used on huge crane slings, so there.
oldharry
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PBO did a test 20+ years ago testing talurits against norseman type swageless, and swaged terminals.
Talurits came out as the weakest, failing before swageless and swaged, swaged being the strongest, but talurit not too far behind IIRC. they simply pulled it till it broke! Not an entirely fair test as it did not put the terminals through a stress cycle, and did not apply any bending movement. Swaged wire tends to fail first where it enters the swage sleeve, because of the point stress loading, whereas the soft copper of a talurit has enough give to prevent this happening. Possibly why they are favoured in lifting applications where cables will be subject to all kinds of directional stressing. Swaged looks better on a yacht where appearance matters.
I have used talurit for rigging my boats for the last 30 years, because I had access to a 'proper' hydraulic talurit press, and have not yet had one even show signs of failure. But yes, wrists are definitely aching after getting 5mm wire to sit neatly in the thimble!
Talurits came out as the weakest, failing before swageless and swaged, swaged being the strongest, but talurit not too far behind IIRC. they simply pulled it till it broke! Not an entirely fair test as it did not put the terminals through a stress cycle, and did not apply any bending movement. Swaged wire tends to fail first where it enters the swage sleeve, because of the point stress loading, whereas the soft copper of a talurit has enough give to prevent this happening. Possibly why they are favoured in lifting applications where cables will be subject to all kinds of directional stressing. Swaged looks better on a yacht where appearance matters.
I have used talurit for rigging my boats for the last 30 years, because I had access to a 'proper' hydraulic talurit press, and have not yet had one even show signs of failure. But yes, wrists are definitely aching after getting 5mm wire to sit neatly in the thimble!
GHA
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So what do you think a talurit is?
I've always known just as another brand (of many) of ferrule which you crimp or swage to form an eye in a steel wire rope.
Seldom used with 1 x 19, 6 or 7 x 19 usually.
I've always known just as another brand (of many) of ferrule which you crimp or swage to form an eye in a steel wire rope.
Seldom used with 1 x 19, 6 or 7 x 19 usually.
Refueler
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So what do you think a talurit is?
I've always known just as another brand (of many) of ferrule which you crimp or swage to form an eye in a steel wire rope.
Seldom used with 1 x 19, 6 or 7 x 19 usually.
And ??
GHA
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'Talurits came out as the weakest, failing before swageless and swaged, swaged being the strongest'
A talutirt *is* a swaged fitting. Like saying a hoover isn't very good, vacuum cleaners are better...
Sorry if that annoys you..
Refueler
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Doesn't annoy me .... just cannot see the point ...
We all know a Talurit is 'swaged' as in action (verb) but its not a 'Swage' as in a product name (noun).
And people wonder why I haven't been seen on YBW for a long time !!
GHA
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Bye bye then.
Refueler
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Proves my point.
ducked
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Seems ambiguous. Depends what is meant by "press twice".
IF this means twice in one place, probably true, but you wont know unless you see it being done.
Pressing more than once along the length of the ferrule seems to be standard procedure, according, for example, to this "how-to" guide to best practice.
How To Use A Hand Swager
Thats using Loos's own "bolt cutter stylee" hand swaging tools, apparently for their own (compatible?) LOCOLOC ferrules. No prices without getting a quote but probably expensive, judging by used prices on ebay. Gauge for checking if swage dimensions are in spec. Page 15 of catalogue
For example
Locoloc® #1-SC Handswager
Does 1/16″, 3/32″, 1/ 8 “, 5/32″, and 3/16″ (1.6 to about 5mm. Americans) ferrules in copper and aluminium
Cheapo (60 quid), probably Chinese equivalent from UK supplier (Also allegedly Japanese versions on Ebay)
24" Steel Wire Rope Crimping and Swage Tool with Cutter
Local Taiwan outfit below does 30 and 42” inch versions, and I could perhaps pick up from the factory, but they want you to specify the ferrule sizes required
GREAT FULL ENTERPRISE CO., LTD
No.122,CHU-CHUNG STREET,BAI-SHA VILL,
Hua-Tan HSIANG , CHANG-HUA HSIEN
50310 TAIWAN
FAX:886-4-7873716
E-MAIL:jiuhfuh@ms59.hinet.net
I'm not sure what sizes I would need for the Trident 24, or what size is realistically doable with this type of tool, if, say, I wanted to use it on something bigger, say up to 30ft, in the future, if there is a future.
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DownWest
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Hand swager and Talurit use different ferrules. Talurit are oval smooth, while hand press ones are creased to allow compression.
