Sunken small yacht, Newton Creek IoW

[Chiara’s slave]

Obviously, like isn’t exactly what I mean. Though in fact I don’t mind at all sharing my preferred anchorage with any degree of eccentricity. Not so keen on the crap he’s parked on the mud though.

 

[Marsali_1]

Why don't the most agrieved of the posters local to the scene just turn up alongside and say "Need a hand mate?". That might be all that it takes to solve both sides of the problem.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Why don't the most agrieved of the posters local to the scene just turn up alongside and say "Need a hand mate?". That might be all that it takes to solve both sides of the problem.

Possibly because salvaging a sunk uninsured yacht is beyond our equipment, competence and liability cover. It’s a bit different to offering a tow to someone who’s lost power at an awkward time.

 

[ashtead]

Surely a rib like those of the business runout of Wootton Creek might with some buoyancy be able to tow the vessel off but I’m no salvage expert .? It seems a shame that help hasn’t been offered by a local workboat etc but maybe the poor fellow has refused offers of help from locals?

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Surely a rib like those of the business runout of Wootton Creek might with some buoyancy be able to tow the vessel off but I’m no salvage expert .? It seems a shame that help hasn’t been offered by a local workboat etc but maybe the poor fellow has refused offers of help from locals?

It has a hole in it, and it’s 4m under water. Quite an operation to recover it, and then there’s all the junk on deck. Or rather, it was on deck, probably now distributed over a wide area of Newtown.

 

[Blueboatman]

Got to feel a bit sorry for the chap, warts eccentricities and all. And the Newtown harbourmaster too. Such a beautiful and respected spot. ( can you believe the powers that be once identified Newtown as perfect for building a nuclear reactor site?)

Anyways.. Being of a “can do” generation as most of us on here are, one would first want to know the nature of the hole in the boat surely? Or perhaps he just overloaded it and down flooded it via a sink or loo?
Either way, strapping a lot of fenders to it and literally dragging its underwater weight sideways to the drying area of mud using a powerful rib and the mast leverage would be my initial line of enquiry. Then await low tide. Once it is drying at low water it is far easier to wrap the ‘ hole’ with a tarpaulin or just pump out the now debris free hull and move it on.. somewhere..
lots for the online chatters, influencers and ll to ponder as the tide comes and goes!

 

[Mark-1]

Either way, strapping a lot of fenders to it and literally dragging its underwater weight sideways to the drying area of mud using a powerful rib and the mast leverage would be my initial line of enquiry.

I've done this with a sub 20ft fin keeler. (Not mine!)

I swam down about 3m at low tide to attach various borrowed large fenders and mooring bouys then the whole lot more or less floated and was dragged onto a beach by a 20hp RIB at high tide. The tide went out and allowed access to sort it out. It was really good fun with a 'Great Egg Race' vibe.

 

[capnsensible]

It has a hole in it, and it’s 4m under water. Quite an operation to recover it, and then there’s all the junk on deck. Or rather, it was on deck, probably now distributed over a wide area of Newtown.

Not difficult for a pro diving company. It's a small boat and could easily be raised with inflatable buoyancy bags.

How do I know? Mrs S used to work in the office of a dive school. The occasional raising of a sunken boat was a nice little earner. I've witnessed them doing it......

Tangled up anchor cables from Med moored superyachts is money in the bank too.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Not difficult for a pro diving company. It's a small boat and could easily be raised with inflatable buoyancy bags.

How do I know? Mrs S used to work in the office of a dive school. The occasional raising of a sunken boat was a nice little earner. I've witnessed them doing it......

Tangled up anchor cables from Med moored superyachts is money in the bank too.

I quite agree. I have seen it done. The chap was asking why I didn’t crack on myself. My boat wouldn’t make a very good salvage boat, though divers might find it quite convenient.

 

[Daydream believer]

Either way, strapping a lot of fenders to it and literally dragging its underwater weight sideways to the drying area of mud using a powerful rib

So how many fenders for 1.25 tonnes of boat will one need?

 

[benjenbav]

End of the day, I imagine that it will cost the National Trust a pretty penny to sort out the mess.

 

[Mark-1]

So how many fenders for 1.25 tonnes of boat will one need?

Depends on how big the fenders are.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

So how many fenders for 1.25 tonnes of boat will one need?

The water inside is a factor too eve n though it may be ‘weightless’ it is not mass-less. It has inertia and momentum.

 

[Daydream believer]

Depends on how big the fenders are.

You do not know, or you realise that is not a practical suggestion?
How big are the fenders on your boat? Use that as a sample

 

[winch2]

Sorry to lower the sympathetic tone around here but this character needs to be seriously prosecuted. You cannot just rock up like this with all your wordly junk and then start trashing what is left of our once beautiful countryside. Yes I get the English eccentric bit but there are limits. Without any sort of deterrent and, with the current state of the housing market, without control this sort of caper is only going to become more prevalent. It's not on.

 

[Daydream believer]

The water inside is a factor too eve n though it may be ‘weightless’ it is not mass-less. It has inertia and momentum.

True, But the boat will weigh less in water

 

[Mark-1]

The water inside is a factor too eve n though it may be ‘weightless’ it is not mass-less. It has inertia and momentum.

I think inertia and momentum are negligible. The one I recovered was full of mud, it must have weighed tons, and tons above water, but submerged it lifted enough to be dragged along fairly easily.

I've also seen a Westerly Warwick lifted with Barrels.

Sailors are resourceful, it's not rocket science.

 

[Mark-1]

You do not know, or you realise that is not a practical suggestion?
How big are the fenders on your boat? Use that as a sample

When I did this I didn't use the fenders on the boat. It didn't have any and if did they'd have provided very little buoyancy. We went to a nearby sailing club and fishing boat quay and sourced various substantial marker buoys and fenders.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

I think inertia and momentum are negligible. The one I recovered was full of mud, it must have weighed tons, and tons above water, but submerged it lifted enough to be dragged along fairly easily.

I've also seen a Westerly Warwick lifted with Barrels.

Sailors are resourceful, it's not rocket science.

I too have been present, and not just a bystander, when a 20ft keelboat, displacement 1.3 tons, was recovered, from just 2m at low water. We had to wait for slack water, the drag of the tide was considerable, even though this one was actually moored, to a thumping great chain and riser. We are a resourceful lot it is true. But this is not to be lightly undertaken. Hundreds of metres of loose rope, afloat and sunk, the rig still up and presenting an obstacle at the very least. All that stuff on deck to be found and recovered, as much as possible anyway. As Captain S says, it’ll need divers, plus a tug or suitable stand in, not just a RIB with 75hp, and these days, insurance cover for the operation. You can bet your last dollar that this character will sue you for damage caused if he can.

 

[capnsensible]

The water inside is a factor too eve n though it may be ‘weightless’ it is not mass-less. It has inertia and momentum.

Yeah, and again, simple enough for a salvage outfit with plugs and high capacity pumps. Iwould imagine that the authorities who want the wreck removed would prefer a simple and quick pro job to any number of well meaning amateurs faffing around trying all sorts of things for ages. And then calling the pros.