Storing digital photos

Re: \"... the average CD to last about five years\"

Possibly. It is undoubtedly the case that CD's don't last long, and the manufacturers don't claim that they do. It is possible to buy CD's which are claimed to last longer, based on more archivaly stable materials, but even these are not supposed to last very long.

The five year figure is based on my own impression from burning CD's: I burned about 30 of them with pictures on two years ago, which were fine when I burnt them. Now three of them are unreadable, ie. 10% in two years. I would expect the failure rate to increase as the materials age.

Another example: I recently heard of one Polish magazine that archived its materials on CD. It has now discovered that a large proportion of its archives are irrecoverable. It has learnt the hard way and is converting what is left of ts materials to a different system.

Whether my five years forecast is accurate or not, it is undoubtedly the case, and widely accepted in photography circles, that CD's are an archivally unstable method of storing pictures, and that you can expect to lose data stored on them sooner or later. I think that five years is a reasonable time to expect a CD to last.

My use of a dedicated 200GB hard disk for the purpose is also not perfect, and I also back all digital pictures up in two other locations. Soon I will be exceeding the 200GB limit and will have to get another drive. I take important pictures on slide in the first place, so I always have the original to refer to if both fail. But I know that if the 200GB hard disk fails, a specialist company will probably be able to recover the data. I would not rely on CD's as a primary way of storing image files.

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Re: \"... the average CD to last about five years\"

Simon,
I'm sure that your evidence is from impeccable sources but I'd just question how the CDs were stored because sunlight and humidity will affect the CDs. Don't take my word for it, below is a quote from an independent test lab.

"Recently, scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) looked at CDs and DVDs to see how long digital information recorded on to them would survive. They concluded that most CDs and DVDs will last 30 years or more if handled with care, but many factors can slash their longevity. Direct exposure to sunlight can do a great deal of damage both from the sun's ultraviolet rays and the heat. Indeed, any rapid significant change in temperature or humidity can stress the materials. Discs last longest when stored in plastic cases in a cool, dark, dry environment. Because gravity can gradually bend the disc, storing it upright like a book is best for long-term storage. The study also found that fingerprints and smudges frequently do more damage than scratches, and recommends handling discs by the outer edge or the center hole."

If you want to read the whole article it lives at:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20040407020458data_trunc_sys.shtml

Chris

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"Common wisdom is that CD-Rs will last 70 to 100 years" ...

... according to the discussion on the topic OSTA website. But by either standard your failure rates look high.

Come what may, I fully agree with your suggestion to keep at least one and preferably two back-ups: ideally on different media.

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Re: \"Common wisdom is that CD-Rs will last 70 to 100 years\" ...

I have been considering an ipod, can you transfer data both ways on an ipod or will it only down load.

Seems the cheapest 40GB solid state storage I have seen.

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Re: \"Common wisdom is that CD-Rs will last 70 to 100 years\" ...

interesting reading here
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.123sortit.com/sanity/dvd.html>http://www.123sortit.com/sanity/dvd.html</A>

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Re: \"... the average CD to last about five years\"

I just know I'm tempting fate here. I've been using CDs for 'photo storage for about five years now, and for data storage for longer than that. None has ever "gone bad" after a period of time.

My company also has clients (including some major banks) who use CD's for data backup and they have a statutory requirement to safeguard data for a minimum of 7 years in this country, longer in others.

Have been using DVD for a couple of years now, and so far, no problems.

My, admittedly subjective, experience is that if the original burn works properly the data are retrievable some years later.



<hr width=100% size=1>A pessimist is an optimist in full possession of the facts<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by pessimist on 05/10/2004 17:12 (server time).</FONT></P>
 
Re: \"... the average CD to last about five years\"

I'm sure that's right, although my CD were stored in 'normal' conditions ie. in CD cases, in non-humid conditions in a living room.

It is not only me, I have heard a large amount of anecdotal evidence from other people who have similar problems, and photo press that I read has also contained articles suggested that normal CD's are not a good idea from the archival point of view. It is possible to buy higher grade CD's which are advertised as having superior archival properties.

Whether these higher grade CD's do indeed last better I cannot comment. However I do not intend to risk important digital files by trusting any CD, and am sceptical of marketing departments' claims. I seem to remember that music CD's were marketed as being indestructible when they first came out, which proved to be far from the case. Some camera manufacturers claim medium format quality for certain high-end digital cameras, which is a demonstrably ludicrous claim.



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Exactly!

It is interesting they experienced the same failure rate that I experienced ie. 10% in the first two years.

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Some CR-R information

I have often used this site as a source of information regarding CD media.

Kodak Gold seem to be regarded very highly in tests, my oldest still going strong from around 1997. Maybe it is time I renewed it 'just in case'.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_quality.shtml>Link to CD Media World</A>

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