Mister E
Well-known member
GRP Glass Reinforced Polyester.
GRP stands for "Glass Reinforced PLASTIC!"
Why? What did you think the P in GRP stands for?
See Brent - you are wrong again!
As post #1361 by Mister E clearly states it is Glass Reinforced Polyester.
And a very fine material for building boats it is too.
That is why there are lots of GRP boats around the world.
If I come to BC again I'll certainly buy you a beer. I only visit NZ to hang out with the Grandchildren over the cold and wet UK winters.
First mate and I are trying to achieve what Bruce Brown titled the definitive surfing movie he made in 1968-Endless Summer.
Not quite there yet, but pretty close!
I agree, he has developed a very interesting building method. Does it really matter that he is a strong advocate for his own boats? There's a raft of information on the internet about origami boats. Surely anyone with a genuine interest can make their own mind up without being critical on here.
At the other end of the scale it also shows that geniuses recognize their own talent.
Just fathomed it out. I believe you are implying that those that know the least about steel boats are the most critical.
Your pensions paid for by people who work for a living and are constantly ridiculed by you.
Now, of course, you have to explain why 99.9% of steel boat buyers prefer the more expensive version. Perhaps they sail well enough to avoid reefs?
Van de Stadt don’t build boats. They’re designers. Perhaps you’d like to link to one of their origami designs?
Strongall are not a major builder and you’ve proved my point. If the design and build techniques were so wonderful, major yards would jump at the idea and build boats and make money. They don’t which makes one question the truth of some of the claims you make.
Some interesting and sensible discussions from people who may know what they are talking about here: https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/...he-ugly-steel-building-methods-that-is.34211/
I asked them how much steel boat building, cruising ,maintaining and living aboard experience they had. One had built steel boats for a living, but had only very limited coastal cruising experience. One, Aussie Pete Willey, was building his first ever steel boat, taking years to get to a stage where I get to in a week. He was the most outspoken, self proclaimed "expert:" on steel boats. The rest has zero steel boat experience. One said he welded up steel fence posts, so knew all there is to know about steel boats. The rest had no reply.
He was the most outspoken, self proclaimed "expert:" on steel boats.
I asked them how much steel boat building, cruising ,maintaining and living aboard experience they had. One had built steel boats for a living, but had only very limited coastal cruising experience. One, Aussie Pete Willey, was building his first ever steel boat, taking years to get to a stage where I get to in a week. He was the most outspoken, self proclaimed "expert:" on steel boats. The rest has zero steel boat experience. One said he welded up steel fence posts, so knew all there is to know about steel boats. The rest had no reply.
Selective memory Brent. You forgot the guy in SA who had built several VdS designs and questioned your figures. Your rather personal attack on him was what I suspect got you banned off that forum.
Edit:Since this thread is going nowhere new, I will not be replying again..
The only guy in that entire group of hecklers with any steel boat experience ,building only, with very limited coastal cruising experience. My attacks on him were only in fair response to his attacking me first, over and over again. "Several built" is a long way from over 3 dozen, and 9 Pacific crossings. He attacked the framelessness of my boats, then posted pictures of a frameless 38 ft VDS he had built, on the origamiboats site. I posted stability curves from several former skeptics , to answer his questions .
I don't recall you replying to my previous comment on your suggestions about how only people who build and sail steel boats are qualified to comment on them.
My comment was that my architect has never laid a brick or built a wall in his life. Who would you trust to design a building? The brickie who lays the bricks, his assistant who mixes the muck or the architect?
When you fly in an airplane,which would you prefer ,the pilot who got 100% on the written test, but has zero flying experience ,or the one who got a bit less on the written test , but has decades of flying experience? They require air time for good reason, no matter how well you do on the written test.
On the origami site ,a client who is an aircraft instruments technician, said he was working with a guy with a degree on the subject, who didn't know how a capacitor works. When he asked how he got his degree, the answer was "The professor came in the night before the test ,and gave us the answers ,which we memorized."
I got 98% on my ham radio test that way.
Ideally, you want someone with experience in both . ( like the qualified pilot).
I have far more of that than most steel boat designers, by a wide margin.
When you fly in an airplane,which would you prefer ,the pilot who got 100% on the written test, but has zero flying experience ,or the one who got a bit less on the written test , but has decades of flying experience? They require air time for good reason, no matter how well you do on the written test.
I'm interested in why you pose this question in reply. The answer is that I don't want either of your pilots to design the aircraft. I want someone who knows about aircraft design.
Your idee fixee about the the only person who is really qualified to design boats is a person who actually builds them and sails them in the context for which they have been designed seems to have been crashed like a dodgy aeroplane designed by a pilot but who knew nothing much about design.
So who shall I have design my house? The bricky who lays the bricks or the architect who's never got his hands dirty?