SSR part 3 registration number and display requirement.

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TSB240

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Has anyone registered their boat for part 3 this year?

Is there still a requirement for the ssr number to be visible on the hull?

The UK registration Web site is no help!

I was issued an electronic certificate with no further guidance.

I seem to remember that for my previous boat they sent a full size photo copy of the numbers to be displayed and a small registration card.

The electronic pdf certificate has the manufacturers hull number as embossed in the original moulding.

I assume this is sufficient proof of boat identity.
 
Ditto, I've just done mine last week - bit of a faff doing it online but managed it and as said, only a digital document and no actual card. So I have to print it out...
 
I lamented the Loss of the Blue Card Holder years ago ... so used to scan / print the card and size to the old Blue Holder .... I still have mine in the drawer even though I had to change to Latvian Register

Yes -= I am also one who mourns the loss of the older 100 page UK Passport ... todays pitiful document - printed I believe in France ....
 
SSR number transfers can but purchased from many vendors. If you are any good with a paintbrush can be hand painted on.
 
Yes the number does need to be displayed but there are no longer any requirements or even recommendations as to the size or font. Not enforced in the UK but when you travel it can be a requirement elsewhere to have them shown.
 
lustyd said:
Yes the number does need to be displayed but there are no longer any requirements or even recommendations as to the size or font. Not enforced in the UK but when you travel it can be a requirement elsewhere to have them shown.
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I have had confirmation by email from UKSR.
(NB not the trading standards!)

It is no longer a requirement by the UK government to display an SSR number on a part 3 registered boat.

The email issued PDF is your actual registration certificate.

You may display you ssr number should you still want to but there is no stipulation of font, size, or location.

I certainly will laminate a copy of the registration certificate with a copy of the email on the back.

This may help should I be unlucky enough to run into a Johnny foreigner jobsworth or boarded by men in black boots.
 
TSB240 said:
I certainly will laminate a copy of the registration certificate with a copy of the email on the back.
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I have heard that a laminated copy is not appreciated in some jurisdictions. As yet nobody has reported the wang of Marigolds, other brands of intimate search gloves are available, due to their certificate being laminated , but if this does happen do let us know.
 
TSB240 said:
It is no longer a requirement by the UK government to display an SSR number on a part 3 registered boat.

The email issued PDF is your actual registration certificate.
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Unfortunately this is UK centric advice, so while correct I would (and did) ignore it. When travelling out of the UK, which is realistically the only reason to get registered, you will still be asked for paper, and they do expect marking. As ever with border controls, it's easier just to smile, nod, and cover your arse in every way.
 
Sandy said:
I have heard that a laminated copy is not appreciated in some jurisdictions. As yet nobody has reported the wang of Marigolds, other brands of intimate search gloves are available, due to their certificate being laminated , but if this does happen do let us know.
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I was inspected in France by Capitaine Benjamin Doune!
No gloves involved, Passport, Insurance, and boat registration documents were all Laminated.
 
lustyd said:
Unfortunately this is UK centric advice, so while correct I would (and did) ignore it. When travelling out of the UK, which is realistically the only reason to get registered, you will still be asked for paper, and they do expect marking. As ever with border controls, it's easier just to smile, nod, and cover your arse in every way.
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Yes, unless you are very good at explaining in various foreign languages why the registration number does not need to be shown on the hull, I would strongly recommend that you do display it before going outside UK waters (which is the only reason to get an SSR in the first place).
Trying to “educate” an overseas official that they are wrong, particularly when you don’t speak the language fluently, doesn’t generally end well. Plus you would have to check that the country you are visiting doesn’t stipulate that overseas vessels need to display registration details.
So just get some stickers and apply.
 
I'm sure it's wise to take the belt and braces approach, but over 15 years I was never asked to produce registration or insurance documents in France, Ireland, the Channel Islands, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Åland, Finland, Latvia or Estonia, or arriving back in the UK. Precious few times (I can recall only twice) was I asked even for a passport when arriving on my own boat - ferry and airport were very different of course.
 
jbweston said:
I'm sure it's wise to take the belt and braces approach, but over 15 years I was never asked to produce registration or insurance documents in France, Ireland, the Channel Islands, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Åland, Finland, Latvia or Estonia, or arriving back in the UK. Precious few times (I can recall only twice) was I asked even for a passport when arriving on my own boat - ferry and airport were very different of course.
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You were lucky then. We bought our boat in France and took it off the French register and renamed it. One morning we removed the LR off the stern and then went to the fuel pontoon to fill up. The berth was so tight I had to remove the ensign staff.
Within 100 m of leaving the marina we were approached by an official patrol craft and challenged as to why no registration letters on the stern. I apologies, popped the UK ensign back on and indicated where the SSR number was shown. I also explained the name lettering was on order but had not yet arrived. I was then allowed to proceed.
 
dunedin said:
You were lucky then. We bought our boat in France and took it off the French register and renamed it. One morning we removed the LR off the stern and then went to the fuel pontoon to fill up. The berth was so tight I had to remove the ensign staff.
Within 100 m of leaving the marina we were approached by an official patrol craft and challenged as to why no registration letters on the stern. I apologies, popped the UK ensign back on and indicated where the SSR number was shown. I also explained the name lettering was on order but had not yet arrived. I was then allowed to proceed.
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I'm sure it's better to take all the necessary precautions. I always had with me on board the registration documents, SSR number on the transom, insurance certificate, ship's VHF/radar licence, proof of UK VAT paid, evidence of the boat being in the EU on 31 December 2020, Yachtmaster certificate and VHF operator's permit, passport - the whole shooting match. I always expected that sooner or later someone would want to check it all out. The surprise was they never did (apart from the couple of times with the passport).

I certainly wouldn't rely on getting away without any of it and it's so easy just to make a folder of ship's papers to take on board.
 
TSB240 said:
I was inspected in France by Capitaine Benjamin Doune!
No gloves involved, Passport, Insurance, and boat registration documents were all Laminated.
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The comments had been passed by a few boats who had sailed well away from European shores.
 
I've had the pleasure, in recent days, of querying SSR re-reg procedure with some very helpful c'servants based in Cardiff. It almost didn't hurt to send them what they asked, including £35 for their coffee swindle.

That's rather less than the RYA charge for a 5-year ICC. Rather better 'bang for my buck' IMHO.

Charges for non-RYA members are as follows:
  • £50 for new applications.
  • £25 for a replacement of a lost certificate with the expiry date unchanged.
  • £10 for updating details.
  • £99 fast track service fee.
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jbweston said:
I'm sure it's wise to take the belt and braces approach, but over 15 years I was never asked to produce registration or insurance documents in France, Ireland, the Channel Islands, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Åland, Finland, Latvia or Estonia, or arriving back in the UK. Precious few times (I can recall only twice) was I asked even for a passport when arriving on my own boat - ferry and airport were very different of course.
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We had some officials board our boat in Spain (in a marina) last year. The only thing they were really interested in was passports.
 
Regarding lamination, some important documents can be invalidated by lamination, especially if they carry holographic security markings. The UK certificate of citizenship is one such; the Home Office expressly state that it must NOT be laminated.

I'd imagine the ICC certificate (which has holographic security markings) might be one such.
 
AntarcticPilot said:
Regarding lamination, some important documents can be invalidated by lamination, especially if they carry holographic security markings. The UK certificate of citizenship is one such; the Home Office expressly state that it must NOT be laminated.

I'd imagine the ICC certificate (which has holographic security markings) might be one such.
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I have the original ICC but I copy and laminate as I have 5 boats and carry one on each boat. No-one has ever queried its 'condition' ... in fact I carry a reduced sized copy - slightly larger than credit card and that's laminated in my wallet ... again - no-ones ever queried it.

With regard to displaying SSR - I don't understand the reluctance to have it on the boat ... no need for monstrous numbers like a lot of Latvian boats have !! but sensible on the transom or 1/4 ... why not ?
 
Strewth, but those UKSR c'servants don't hang about!
I emailed my SSR re-reg docs together with payment of £35 Standard Service at 0048hrs Tuesday am, and had the new certificate in my Inbox just 17 hours later.

Gawd knows what they'd do for £85 Premium Fast Track Service!

Just 'mazing.... :D
 
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