Spirit of Cardiff - a response

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A response to the earlier Spirit of Cardiff thread, re. fund raising.

From Clive Tully, Spirit of Cardiff crew.
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Spirit of Cardiff is a 3 year project which set out as a serious attempt to challenge Cable & Wireless Adventurer's 74 days 20 hours 58 minutes round the world record. Had we achieved our original budget, had we not been let down by companies and organisations who pledged to support us and then did nothing, we might have set out better placed to attack that record. I think that rather than sneering at us, you should give us credit for setting off even though we knew we were underfunded.

We did so in the hope that publicity during the voyage would fit the last pieces into the sponsorship jigsaw, although of course we could never have imagined the Queen Mother dying the day before we set off, or the blanket coverage given to a few football matches in Japan and Korea, to the exclusion of all other news.

To describe Spirit of Cardiff as a "homebuild" displays breathtaking ignorance. She was designed by Alistair Cameron, a leading naval architect, and built to Lloyds A1 spec by Northshore Composites and Ribtec. Indeed, the hull is now commercially available. Some homebuild!

The engine and outdrive were supplied by Yamaha, and the navigation electronics by Raymarine. None of these leading lights of the marine industry would have provided many thousands of pounds worth of hardware over several years if they regarded Alan Priddy as a crackpot, and Spirit of Cardiff as a "no hope" project. On the contrary, they use us as a testbed to prove all the equipment which eventually will become available to all you experts - real and armchair.

As to the criticism that we have been dawdling - I would respectfully ask any true powerboater whether they would venture out from harbour in 40 knot plus winds. Remember that although we can carry 3 tons of fuel, it has to be used sparingly to give us a thousand mile passage. And what would you have us do while in port waiting for the weather conditions to become safer? Sit around and mope? We get enough depression when we're forced to endure the physical hardship of heavy head seas when we're hundreds of miles and days away from land.

The carpers of this forum are just that. They have no concept of endurance offshore powerboating, and whilst they might consider themselves experts as far as sorties across the Solent are concerned, I suspect none of them has ever done several thousand mile passages one after another.

Taking a powerboat around the world as quickly as possible is infinitely more difficult than sailing around the world. Perhaps you should ask the likes of the round-the-world yachties how many times they have had guns raised at them during the Vendee Globe. How many delays forced upon them by bureaucrats, military chiefs and corrupt officials? How much money did they have to pay out in bribes in order to be allowed to leave port? How much angst caused by taking on low-grade contaminated fuel? How many hours wasted simply to clear customs and immigration at each port while the clock is still ticking?

It takes a well-oiled and well-funded machine to overcome those obstacles. The Cable & Wireless attempt had that machine. We would have had it too had we not been let down by people that promised to support us. With all due respect to round the world yachties, all they do is battle the elements. We do that, and in addition we have to do battle with all the petty bureaucrats in places such as Egypt, Indonesia, Russia and Sri Lanka, who don't give a fig for round-the-world records or turning round a boat in port as quickly as possible.

If you don't want to support us, fine. We much prefer to appeal to people who recognise our attempt for what it is - a milestone in endurance powerboating. We WILL return to Gibraltar with the UIM under 50ft record for circumnavigating the world. If you would like to make a donation to help us complete this attempt, any contributions are still gratefully received. But we feel inclined to listen to strong criticism only from those who are furnished with ALL the facts about the SoC project.

Clive Tully
Spirit of Cardiff
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Did I miss something here?

I saw an earlier thread with an appeal for last minute cash help. Response seemed to me to be pretty generous, offers of dosh plus a bit of good humoured banter. The response from the SoC crew guy above seems ungracious and uncalled for.

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Still badly researched, I see

ooh and ouch.

I note CT directly quotes some of my comments. He's in a huff. He doesn't consider that some people might deliver strong criticsm AND donate money to help him write his book.

A year or so ago he'd not been on a boat, now he's an expert and we're all solenty nobodies. And apparently it's "infinitely more dificult" on a powerboat than a sailboat. So Clive knows about that too? No, he's not been on a sailboat, as far as I'm aware, and clearly thinks that Epirb's and other safety gear is unbeliveably special and peculair to their boat.

Professional build standards might reasonably include someone who had built up a hull before, and they clearly hadn't - as witness having to smash walls to fit the basic hull into the shed. If this isn't the definition of "homebuild", I don't know what is, though I don't doubt that the hull (from ribtec) is comercially available.

CT makes the leap that the trip is a one-off voyage into the unknown, testing new equipment from which we might eventually benefit. But this is not so. There is no "new technology" on that boat. Yamaha and Raymarine is all standard gear: it's publicity-based sponsorship. No worse for that, but CT should not pretend that they are a test-bed for incredible new products.

However, they are breaking new ground in undertaking the "setting off" phase of a project prior to the "being ready" phase. Sorry, Clive, this just doesn't wash. Many of us *may* have done this from time to time - but only for projects such as forcing the kids to get into the damn car before going shopping.

For a seagoing trip (yes, even just across the solent) it's not a policy to be admired as "gutsy", as Clive seems to believe. It should rightly attract criticsm from anyone who goes to sea. Whilst the lack of spares has only occassionally come to the fore, the lack of financial preparation money is inescapable, and this is really the very easiest thing to prepare, espaecially with lots of time to prepare. The total running costs were about 40k. Well, duh, remortage or something so you've got the money, then look for sponsorship and they'll see how you mean business. Setting off without seems to be "preparing to fail".

But the chutzpah of our brave boys isn't limited by a lack of preparation. They're hoping that Yamaha will gettem out of the "lack of spares" hole, others will gettim out of the "lack of financial preparation hole", and that all the ports along his route will fall over themselves to waive their customs procedures and somehow won't request for casual payment. In the USA he'll find that anyone who touches his boat will expect a gratuity. And supposing that one was a customs official in a third world country where casual payment and bribery is the norm? Suddenly three white people turn up in a fabulous boat and want us to do things, pronto!! More lack of preparation becomes obvious, not only have they no loot (lack of preparation) but seems that they didn't even know of the bribery culture.

Clive almost complains about Cable and Wireless. He certainly complains about the "sponsors who let them down" as though it's some other buggers fault that they are in their current situation. THEY are the ones who planeed the trip, set the goals and are responsible for EVERYTHING. Not me for not giving them enough money, not sponsors, not anyone else. All things considered, they're being very lucky.

Clive says that he will listen to experts. But they seejk out any experts. A year before their trip, I spoke with a UK company that make military-spec powerboats. They're the ones with inward-sloping windscreens to avoid glare, heat and make windscreen wipers a little less critical, an easy feature to copy. Their comment regarding AP's boat was that "they might go around around the world in a RIB - but not that one!".

But nonetheless, I still wish them all the luck in the world. I hope they don't use it all up. The footballers (whose preparation they might have copied) need some.

matt s
 
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To be fair to the forum, a lot of the banter was good natured
To be fair to Clive Tully, some comments were ill-informed and antagonistic (I know, "so what? we live in a democracy").

And re. offers of dosh, I haven't received a penny...


but the IPC lot coughed up a few quid, so it acheived something (emptying heavy drawers of unwanted coppers, a great morning's work...)
 

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To be fair to Clive he was prob fed up with Matts constant criticism, to be fair to Matt he has (alledgedly) paid for the priveledge :)

Dom


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Well probably like a few others on here early in their boating experiances I am in awe that anyone goes out of site of land in a motor boat let alone around the world.

I was c***ing myself launching off a trailer the first time a few weeks ago into Milford Haven !!!!!! So most of us (exceptions accepted) ought to look on with respect. I do.

As for giving money - Well gis a job first then ......

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Hmm. He sounds a bit rattled by just about everything and everybody. And not with the best of attitudes. Cant see anyone giving him much.

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Re: Still badly researched, I see

Of course he could break C&W RTW record and he'd do it in a boat under 50ft. Nothing would go wrong at all, immigration people would be open 24hours waiting for him to arrive so they would clear him, no bribes would be needed anywhere they would just kneel down and kiss his feet, the weather would just clear a path of flat seas for him to speed on, all the refuelling would take place on arrival with the cleanest purest fuel known to man, the media would be killing each other to get to him first upon his arrival at each port, sponsors would be flooding in with over zealous cash donations to fund the trip, the navy in every area will be clearing the way of debris in his path before he got to each destination, and the Russians would be waiting with open arms and bottles of Vodka.

Oh is that the time, I must have been dreaming ;-)

Dom


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Re:Around the world with TCM

I'm up for a trip around the world with TCM - anybody else ? Instead of a RIB lets take a 49.99ft catamaran.

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Re:Around the world with TCM

Yep. Seems a bit naff, taking a bout round the world and not being able to get a decent whiskey and dry on it. Wdnt take my boat round the world cos to much pain getting diesel in the right places and booze and food and wimin and loads of other things. There all daft....................!!!

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Re: Criticism, Motor racing, Money

Challenge noted.

I confess to being a noisy citic of said trip. I have no inside knowledge - depsol knows more than me of the trip, by far.

Firstly, I would say that the answer to a critic is best left (ALWAYS) as "no comment". The answer to a critic is never "well, see if you can do better!"
Otherwise we'd all have to accept poor service in restaurants, bad acting, late delivery from suppliers, poor work from typists, crap boat engines, inactivity from government, under-achievemnt from all who set out to achieve, who tax or charge or demand our attention, and then fail. Are we not allowed to criticise or comment unleess we have more experience, more skill? I think not.

For the failure to say "well - see if you can do better!!" is almost to confess that they din't know what they were doing. They don't stand by their decisions or actions. They throw the dice back.

The prize of the achiever is only in part the adulatuion of the fans - perhaps a better prize is the humbled silence of the critics, the naysayers, the doubters. Whatever the fluke, the luck, the practice, the caluclated odds, their loaded dice - the records will show who did what.

I feel that SoC have not worked to have the dice loaded in their favour. I'm afraid that a key issue in this is....the brains ands the money. Sorry, but powerboating isn't exactly hard now is it? It's fairly easy peasy. Especially if you only visit a harbour once every three days. The loot is a key. Separately, you have to work hard to find fish farms, for example. They aren't in the main fairways -othwrise they'd be gone in the first day.

Separately, altho I don't feel the pressure to HAVE to respond to Neptune1's challenge...I'd have a go. Rough esimates of a suitable super-long-range 45-footer means that the pproject might cost £500k all-in, 4 crew means that it's £100k each, and spose that if I'm skipper I'l punt up the extra 100k. Any takers? ...Perhaps not. in reality, the trip is bloody awful - day after day after day of drone drone drone. And can anyone name the skipper of C&W? I can't .

I didn't start out as a SoC naysayer. I hoped for the best , "supporting" them as we all "supported" the Engalnd footie team. But when the footballers failed, they said "we failed" and "we cocked up" and "we'll have another go" and "sorry to those who invested their time and hopes".

Sure, they failed just the same, and anyone within the industry might easily say that they failed against an OKish brazil team of ten who have ball skills that are rarely taught in the uk - brit kids just have a game of Us v Them and hope that skills result, which they don't. For this reason (and to soften the blow) I bet 20 quid against England, and sadly won the bet.

Hundred of sailors hone their skils in the solent, or anywhere where they'll be pitted against the best. After the world club football cup, being the best (but not richest) footballer wd seem to require being in S america, but the money's crap....

Back to SoC. They set out to break the record RTW. Go on then. It quickly turned to a non-record ...fastest RTW in sub-50 foot powerboat. Hum. Not failure, but a qualified success! I don't think so. Halfway thru and they're calling for more money - and not because of any unforseen circumstances but that diesel costs a few quid, they're skint, plus the odd bribe of a total of (say) under 2 grand to date - easily within contingency planning.

We should all be pleased if SoC rerturn safe and sound. But we must not confuse them with those who plan to achieve, prepare to achieve, and then succeed. A part of that preparation might be personal training, as in distance running or ball skills, another part will be financial.

It seems that SoC won't recognise their failure, and want to re-set the standard to a lower level - where they've succeeded! But the goal was to pit oneself against the very best, and beat them. The goal was not to turn to others, anyone, perhaps those who higlighted the reasons for the failure and wimper "well, think you could do better?" The goal was to simply win, breaking the record. Any criticism, specially from the likes of mere me, should be lost in the wind, like suggesting improved strategies to M Shcumacher or Mark Spitz or Tiger Woods or Roger Bannister or Knox-Johnston. I will not confuse Messrs Priddy and Tully with any of the above.
 
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Re: my vfm cheque shd\'ve arrived tho? nm

tcm and mikeg cheques arrived this week - many thanks. I'll give you up-date of "grand" total when we've totted up all the coppers, doubled it, halved it, added 42 and divided by the sq root of the capital of Denmark and despatched to "Offshore Antics". Anyway, whether or not you sent money or approve of SoC's venture, most of us would admire them (not same as envying them) for having a go.
SoC - currently en route to Jamaica having had rel. seamless passage through Panama Canal.
 
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