Speak to your insurer,,,,,,

[ianwright]

,,,,,,, give them a chance to get to know you. Lets face it, it's YOU they are insuring not just your boat. If they don't wish to talk "just fill the form in mate" then find another that does.
I'm fortunate that when my boat was built I had to contact the insurers regulrly as building progressed and the value of the part built boat went up. Since then I have spoken to them at least one a year, by phone or at a boat show, to alter or add to the policy.To extend or diminish my cruising area, to check if a survey might be needed. to query a point on the policy, or, on one occasion only, to make a claim.
Make sure they know you and you capabilities or lack thereof. Give them a chance to give you the policy you and you boat need, not a 'one size fits all' policy designed like direct line car cover.
Go for the cheapest cover you can get only if the cost of insurance is all that matters to you.

IanW,,,,,,,, not in insurance.

Vertue 203, Patience

 

[Twister_Ken]

When your boat was built?

And there was I thinking that Vertues where handed down through the generations like great grandad's fob watch.

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[ianwright]

Re: When your boat was built?

I started thinking about her and planning stuff,,,, oooh about 20 years ago, ordered her about 15 years ago, watched her built for 3 years, launched her on Nov 5th 1990 (a really good party) and sail her, normaly solo, from Heybridge Basin.
,,,,,,and she's not for sale.

IanW

Vertue 203, Patience

 

[ccscott49]

Re: When your boat was built?

3 years! I thought they built moulds much faster than that these days. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

 

[ianwright]

Re: When your boat was built?

I shall pretend not to notice the ref to moulds and thus grp, (I spit, I sneer) and explain that she was/is built of real tree wood and copper boat nails, to Lloyds, by students of the IBTC at Lowestoft. and is the love of my life,,,,,,,, one of them that is.

IanW

Vertue 203, Patience

 

[Twister_Ken]

That\'s why it took 3 years

Either you had to wait for the tree to stop growing, or for the boatbuilding apprenticii to finish the course and prove their virtue, before letting them loose on yours.

 

[ianwright]

Why it took 3 years

First you wait for students to learn lofting,,,,,, then as they learn each stage of the boatbuilding trade they put in practice what they have learned,,,,,,,,,meanwhile the boat waits.
In '96 I met a chap who, full of exitement, said, "I lofted station 11 on that boat!"and in '97 another who built the companionway hatch. It takes time but it is worth the wait.

IanW

Vertue 203, Patience

 

[Gunfleet]

Re: Why it took 3 years

Did you rush into it with steamed frames or wait for oak ones to grow?

 

[ianwright]

Re: Why it took 3 years

I rushed...
Iroko on steamed oak,,,,,,,,, but with an extra stringer.
Friends with older Vertues who do have grown or at least sawn frames shake their collective heads and suck their (own) teeth. I pretend not to notice and mutter "Lloyds +100A1" under my breath.

IanW.

Vertue 203, Patience

 

[Gunfleet]

Re: Why it took 3 years

Apparently there is a comment by one of the Pin Mill builders about another 'He is using steamed frames, and him a Methodist'.

 

[Mirelle]

Harry King

The quote is at page 164 of "Tideways and byways in Essex and Suffolk", by Archie White, published in 1948, (and, by implication, he is speaking of Reuben Webb!)

A delightful book, rather hard to find.

Anyway, the merits of grown frames are debatable. The Herreshoffs never used them, and whilst maybe the Americans are different, Claud Worth and Uffa Fox, whose idea of the perfect boat was rather different, both agreed that boats should be "all grown" or "all steamed", because the two types of frames behave differently.

Mirelle (Claude Whisstock) has the usual English construction with grown frames every 2 feet (on the stations) and two CRE bent frames between. This was a great time and money saver for the builder, because there is no need to loft and erect moulds - the grown frames take their place. Which is why it was done.

However, what both Worth and Fox point out, and I can confirm from my own experience, is that when the hull is severely stressed, the grown frames fracture before the full load is taken on the bent frames. In October 1987 Mirelle was driven ashore and onto a quay wall - five grown frames to replace, and three bent frames in quite a different place.

Bent frames are cheap and easy to repair, as compared to grown frames.

 

[ianwright]

John Parker of Lowestoft

Built Patience for me, with the help of 180 students, and he decided for me that she would have steamed frames throughout.
"The're more springy and you can put more in were she needs them." he said. Anyway Giles drew both so it's owners choice.

IanW.

Vertue 203, Patience

 

[Twister_Ken]

Pardon my ignorance

on matters woody, but would laminated frames be better still?

One hunerd and 8-Tee students? Must have been Britian's biggest boat-building workforce on a single job since they launched the old Queen!

 

[Gunfleet]

Re: Harry King

<<The quote is at page 164 of "Tideways and byways in Essex and Suffolk", by Archie White, published in 1948, (and, by implication, he is speaking of Reuben Webb!)>>
Though this is indeed my home and stomping ground I don't remember reading that book. I hate it when quotes creep into your mind by some sort of back door (alcohol?) and later you can't account for them.

 

[ianwright]

Re: Pardon my ignorance

"would laminated frames be better still?"

My predudices tell me not, but others may disagree. I might have laminated frames in a cold moulded or strip planked boat, but I don't plan to have another boat,,,,,,,,
Yes, one eight zero ,,,,,,,,, the school had/ has 60 students a year, she was three years building, so 3X60=180.

IanW.



Vertue 203, Patience

 

[claymore]

Iroko on steamed oak...

Iroko on steamed oak with an extra stringer
I think someone was eating that in the kebab shop the other night

regards
Claymore

 

[Twister_Ken]

Kebab shop

- must have been Gazza.